Bono: 'U2 album was too challenging' - Page 10

nielsgov · 10-26-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MilotheMayor

I agree wholeheartedly with this post. Just wanted to give you some props before you get flamed.

Yes the flaming can begin now.

senrab · 10-26-2009, 02:56 PM

I find Boots to be a Vertigo re-write. You could sing the chorus to Vertigo over the Boots chorus and it would fit.

BVS · 10-26-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by senrab

I find Boots to be a Vertigo re-write. You could sing the chorus to Vertigo over the Boots chorus and it would fit.

Um... no.

senrab · 10-26-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Um... no.

Yes, I've done it. Try humming the chorus of Vertigo during "You don't know how...."

BVS · 10-26-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by senrab

Yes, I've done it. Try humming the chorus of Vertigo during "You don't know how...."

Um, then you're humming off key and off rhythm. I don't mean that in a rude way, it's just that as a musician I can't see how anyone can say this, they are completely different structures. Do you play anything?

mikal · 10-26-2009, 03:21 PM

U2 is good. no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not!

gvox · 10-26-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mikal

U2 is good. no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not!

But how do you really feel about U2, Mikal?

ultraviolet353 · 10-26-2009, 03:28 PM

I agree it is all a matter of opinion--after all Pop is their best record, IMO.

However, I think to say the album is too complex is laughable. If anything (and even many who love this album claim) it is the poppy stuff that ruins the album, and that is 27% of the record. Of the songs that I like on the album NLOTH, BB, MOS, COL there just seems to be something missing--I find myslef wnating something to happen in these songs, and it doesn't. Especially on MOS.

one last thing about Magnificent--when I first heard this song, I thought it was an instant classic. But...again after some time, it just comes off as "thin." Almost like cotton candy, it now melts on impact--lacks any crescendo as it starts at 10 and ends at 10. It starts with such a rush, it has nowhere to go. It is also a very poppy song, IMO, which bumps the record up to 36% pop. Complex!?!?!?! I think not.

elevated_u2_fan · 10-26-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ultraviolet353

However, I think to say the album is too complex is laughable.

not as complex as their 90's material but certianly more complex than their last two albums.

Zoocoustic · 10-26-2009, 03:33 PM

Bono sure has come a long way from the "we may lose some of the pop kids but we don't need them!" comment from the glorious zoo-tv days...

BVS · 10-26-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ultraviolet353

If anything (and even many who love this album claim) it is the poppy stuff that ruins the album, and that is 27% of the record.
It is also a very poppy song, IMO, which bumps the record up to 36% pop. Complex!?!?!?! I think not.

You see? That's complex.

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Originally Posted by ultraviolet353

I find myslef wnating something to happen in these songs, and it doesn't. Especially on MOS.

How can you want anymore out of MOS? It's

worthy. It's the one song that could have easily been given an obvious crescendo, but's it's just implied making it a beautifully complex creature.

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Originally Posted by Zoocoustic

Bono sure has come a long way from the "we may lose some of the pop kids but we don't need them!" comment from the glorious zoo-tv days...

I love how this quote gets so misused these days.

mikal · 10-26-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoocoustic

Bono sure has come a long way from the "we may lose some of the pop kids but we don't need them!" comment from the glorious zoo-tv days...

yeah, but that was 17 years ago. i sure hope i don't act like i do now in 17 years.

Irvine511 · 10-26-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mikal

yeah, but that was 17 years ago. i sure hope i don't act like i do now in 17 years.

also, that quote is probably right up there with "don't mean to bug 'ya" and "maybe, maybe too much talk" in the Top 10 Reasons Why People Hate Bono.

mcaito · 10-26-2009, 04:06 PM

News flash to Bono.

Fans, especially smart, discerning U2 fans, can understand and appreciate "complex" music (and will buy it if they like it). And give the music-buying public at large a little more credit too, for understanding and appreciating "complex" music. The problem here is that Bono is in denial about the greatness of NLOTH, not recognizing the fine line between complex music and dull, uninteresting music. Nobody cares how high-brow and sophisticated you are, just make some good songs and people of ALL demographics and all levels of "understanding" will want to hear it (the Beatles made some complex, conceptual music). Call me simple-minded, call me low brow, but I find the much critically-maligned Rattle & Hum far more listenable than NLOTH.

Sometimes three chords and the truth is enough.

BVS · 10-26-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaito

News flash to Bono.

Fans, especially smart, discerning U2 fans, can understand and appreciate "complex" music (and will buy it if they like it). And give the music-buying public at large a little more credit too, for understanding and appreciating "complex" music. The problem here is that Bono is in denial about the greatness of NLOTH, not recognizing the fine line between complex music and dull, uninteresting music. Nobody cares how high-brow and sophisticated you are, just make some good songs and people of ALL demographics and all levels of "understanding" will want to hear it (the Beatles made some complex, conceptual music). Call me simple-minded, call me low brow, but I find the much critically-maligned Rattle & Hum far more listenable than NLOTH.

Sometimes three chords and the truth is enough.

What?

10-26-2009, 02:56 PM	#2
senrab Refugee Premium Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Washington DC, formerly Buffalo NY Posts: 1,664 Local Time: 09:21 PM	I find Boots to be a Vertigo re-write. You could sing the chorus to Vertigo over the Boots chorus and it would fit. __________________ http://www.senrab.net

10-26-2009, 03:21 PM	#6
mikal BLIND SHEEP Premium Gold Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Fez Posts: 12,414 Local Time: 08:21 PM	U2 is good. no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! yes they are! no they're not! __________________ Come On Ye People! Stand Back And Don't Shove! Shove! Shove! Shove! Shove! Shove!

10-26-2009, 04:06 PM	#14
mcaito The Fly Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 32 Local Time: 02:21 AM	Complex? News flash to Bono. Fans, especially smart, discerning U2 fans, can understand and appreciate "complex" music (and will buy it if they like it). And give the music-buying public at large a little more credit too, for understanding and appreciating "complex" music. The problem here is that Bono is in denial about the greatness of NLOTH, not recognizing the fine line between complex music and dull, uninteresting music. Nobody cares how high-brow and sophisticated you are, just make some good songs and people of ALL demographics and all levels of "understanding" will want to hear it (the Beatles made some complex, conceptual music). Call me simple-minded, call me low brow, but I find the much critically-maligned Rattle & Hum far more listenable than NLOTH. Sometimes three chords and the truth is enough.

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10-26-2009, 03:28 PM	#8
ultraviolet353 Acrobat Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 482 Local Time: 06:21 PM	I agree it is all a matter of opinion--after all Pop is their best record, IMO. However, I think to say the album is too complex is laughable. If anything (and even many who love this album claim) it is the poppy stuff that ruins the album, and that is 27% of the record. Of the songs that I like on the album NLOTH, BB, MOS, COL there just seems to be something missing--I find myslef wnating something to happen in these songs, and it doesn't. Especially on MOS. one last thing about Magnificent--when I first heard this song, I thought it was an instant classic. But...again after some time, it just comes off as "thin." Almost like cotton candy, it now melts on impact--lacks any crescendo as it starts at 10 and ends at 10. It starts with such a rush, it has nowhere to go. It is also a very poppy song, IMO, which bumps the record up to 36% pop. Complex!?!?!?! I think not.

10-26-2009, 03:33 PM	#10
Zoocoustic War Child Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 900 Local Time: 02:21 AM	Bono sure has come a long way from the "we may lose some of the pop kids but we don't need them!" comment from the glorious zoo-tv days...