Bono's lyrical and U2's musical influences?

BigIdeas · 12-31-2004, 11:53 PM

Hello, I'm really trying to figure out what kinds of influences U2, and especially Bono, had as songwriters. Bono once stated something about how he's astounded by clever writers, but keeps going back to the ones with clever ideas - who are these? I know that the Edge was into the Clash and admitted them as an early influence in many an interview. I also know of Bono's readings of Flannery O'Connor, Bukowski, A. Ginsberg, and obvious back-to-the-Scripture stuff, and Heaney from an article in the LA Times. But I mean except Dylan during the R&H sessions, what kind of influences have followed U2 and by the album or the era, i.e. Boy post-punk Clash, Sex Pistols, ...? Any1 have stories and such (info) please do share.

financeguy · 01-02-2005, 03:23 PM

Interesting question. In terms of the Edge's style, which is obviously a big part of U2's music, he always cites Tom Verlaine from Television and Patti Smith.

There was an early eighties band called the Associates fronted by a Scottish poet/singer/troubador called Billy MacKenzie (who unfortunately committed suicide in 1997) and Bono said after his death that the Associates were an influence on early U2.

Achtung Baby was influenced by bands like Sonic Youth and My Bloody Valentine.

Also Bono said in an interview that the Who were quite a big influence on U2 because they combined the personal, the political and the spiritual in their music.

Can't think of any more at the moment, but if you do Google searches on any of the above you can find out more!

BigIdeas · 01-02-2005, 10:25 PM

Thanks. Yeah, I tried searching for some influences. In interviews and stuff, this is what I got: (NOTE: a lot are specific influences or themes behind songs, but I wasn't so sure about the musical side, so please fill me in to supplement the lyrical aspects)

1982 - Bono writing political songs influenced by the Clash (Sanity, Nov 98)

Specific song influences:

SBS - Edge wrote these but it doesn't give influence, just that it was inspired by how the people of Belfast were torn by religion and it's divisions(?)

New Year's Day - Lech Walesa

40 - Pass ...

Then during TUF:

ASOH - Samus Heaney and in The Guardian, Oct 13, 1995 states how it was Bono "trying to play around with Heaney's style a little bit"

Pride - a biography of MLK according to LA Times, Sept 12, 1993 "U2's Pride ... 'I Will Follow' to 'One'"

TUF - Adam claimed it was some Japanese paintings

More to follow... Oh please do add whether specific lyrical or musical influences or acts influencing the evolution of their music in various stages.

MissMoo · 01-03-2005, 08:58 AM

Well, "the days run away like horses over the hills" is the title of a Bukowski book.

financeguy · 01-03-2005, 12:39 PM

A Sort of Homecoming - the lyric "this bomb-blast lightning waltz" was lifted from the poet Seamus Heaney. I think this song was also partly influenced by the Irish poet WB Yeats - not so much specific lyrics but the style of it.

The Unforgettable Fire - the "Japanese paintings" referred to were exhibits based around the aftermath of Hiroshima/Nagasaki in the Chicago Peace Museum. The song is about nuclear war.

Pride is indeed about Martin Luther King.

SBS is about the Northern Ireland conflict and related religious divisions.

Actually what you should probably do is try and get your hands on a book called "Into the Heart - the Stories behind every U2 song" by Niall Stokes / Omnibus Press 1996. If you're based in LA I assume there's plenty of good book shops there with music sections so hopefully you'll be able to find it. Good luck!

BigIdeas · 01-06-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by financeguy
I think this song was also partly influenced by the Irish poet WB Yeats - not so much specific lyrics but the style of it.

I've read Yeats and what's amazing is everytime I read "Sailing to Byzantium" and explicate it, I feel like I've just listened to Beautiful Day all over again -- especially the song live, when Bono is repeating "the goal, the goal is soul." Interesting...

financeguy · 01-06-2005, 05:09 PM

That's interesting about Beautiful Day, must check it out.

u2rose · 01-10-2005, 05:31 PM

Not to toot our my own horn, but a site I host has a lot of great essays/ ideas people have written and contributed to just this very question.

Find it at U2Literary [dot] com

Still looking for "Bomb" literary references. Anyone?

zooroper · 02-06-2005, 01:36 PM

edge's guitar is heavily influenced by the band "gang of four". it's almost identycal.

Lewis12 · 05-18-2005, 09:09 PM

We can't forget John Lennon as a major influence either? God Part II is a continuation of John's Song "God". Of course "Every artist is a thief..." is a direct quote from John Lennon. There are other songs as we know, live versions of Help, etc. Jeesh, I even heard Bono sing John's Norwegian Wood here in Seattle last month in concert. There is a big J.L. influence, which is a nice touch to an already diversified, complex and creative group.

Something we all forget at times is that Bono is part of U2, and he may be the obvious one out front, but the influence the other members have on him may be greater than we realize -- which is a good thing. For example, I've heard that Adam is next to Bono during most phases of Bono's singing/creating of a song, and Adam critiques it all the way through, even guiding him at times. The four legged chair comment that Bono always mentions may apply on an intellectual level as well.

marik · 05-18-2005, 09:27 PM

where did you hear about adam's involvement?

blueeyedgirl · 05-19-2005, 12:17 AM

Actually now you mention that, I remember an interview around the time of Unforgettable Fire methinks, and Adam spoke of usually being the only one in the studio listening to Bono singing or being there as he worked out the lyrics. He spoke about not exactly listening closely to every word Bono said and thinking if it made sense, but more the "colours and sounds" of the lyrics and if they fit.

starsgoblue · 05-22-2005, 08:46 PM

Into the Heart: The Stories Behind Every U2 Song by Niall Stokes is a good place to start

And U2literary.com is a good site!

beli · 05-22-2005, 08:50 PM

Given Bono has ripped off lyrics from John Lennon and Neil Diamond I would suggest they are lyrical influences.

Scarlet Lady · 05-26-2005, 03:50 PM

"Bruce Springsteen was the buddha of my youth" (Bono)

12-31-2004, 11:53 PM	#1
BigIdeas The Fly Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 50 Local Time: 02:19 PM	Bono's lyrical and U2's musical influences? Hello, I'm really trying to figure out what kinds of influences U2, and especially Bono, had as songwriters. Bono once stated something about how he's astounded by clever writers, but keeps going back to the ones with clever ideas - who are these? I know that the Edge was into the Clash and admitted them as an early influence in many an interview. I also know of Bono's readings of Flannery O'Connor, Bukowski, A. Ginsberg, and obvious back-to-the-Scripture stuff, and Heaney from an article in the LA Times. But I mean except Dylan during the R&H sessions, what kind of influences have followed U2 and by the album or the era, i.e. Boy post-punk Clash, Sex Pistols, ...? Any1 have stories and such (info) please do share.

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01-02-2005, 03:23 PM	#2
financeguy Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 8,286 Local Time: 10:19 PM	Interesting question. In terms of the Edge's style, which is obviously a big part of U2's music, he always cites Tom Verlaine from Television and Patti Smith. There was an early eighties band called the Associates fronted by a Scottish poet/singer/troubador called Billy MacKenzie (who unfortunately committed suicide in 1997) and Bono said after his death that the Associates were an influence on early U2. Achtung Baby was influenced by bands like Sonic Youth and My Bloody Valentine. Also Bono said in an interview that the Who were quite a big influence on U2 because they combined the personal, the political and the spiritual in their music. Can't think of any more at the moment, but if you do Google searches on any of the above you can find out more!

01-02-2005, 10:25 PM	#3
BigIdeas The Fly Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 50 Local Time: 02:19 PM	Thanks. Yeah, I tried searching for some influences. In interviews and stuff, this is what I got: (NOTE: a lot are specific influences or themes behind songs, but I wasn't so sure about the musical side, so please fill me in to supplement the lyrical aspects) 1982 - Bono writing political songs influenced by the Clash (Sanity, Nov 98) Specific song influences: SBS - Edge wrote these but it doesn't give influence, just that it was inspired by how the people of Belfast were torn by religion and it's divisions(?) New Year's Day - Lech Walesa 40 - Pass ... Then during TUF: ASOH - Samus Heaney and in The Guardian, Oct 13, 1995 states how it was Bono "trying to play around with Heaney's style a little bit" Pride - a biography of MLK according to LA Times, Sept 12, 1993 "U2's Pride ... 'I Will Follow' to 'One'" TUF - Adam claimed it was some Japanese paintings More to follow... Oh please do add whether specific lyrical or musical influences or acts influencing the evolution of their music in various stages.

01-03-2005, 08:58 AM	#4
MissMoo Acrobat Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 353 Local Time: 11:19 PM	Well, "the days run away like horses over the hills" is the title of a Bukowski book.

01-03-2005, 12:39 PM	#5
financeguy Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 8,286 Local Time: 10:19 PM	A Sort of Homecoming - the lyric "this bomb-blast lightning waltz" was lifted from the poet Seamus Heaney. I think this song was also partly influenced by the Irish poet WB Yeats - not so much specific lyrics but the style of it. The Unforgettable Fire - the "Japanese paintings" referred to were exhibits based around the aftermath of Hiroshima/Nagasaki in the Chicago Peace Museum. The song is about nuclear war. Pride is indeed about Martin Luther King. SBS is about the Northern Ireland conflict and related religious divisions. Actually what you should probably do is try and get your hands on a book called "Into the Heart - the Stories behind every U2 song" by Niall Stokes / Omnibus Press 1996. If you're based in LA I assume there's plenty of good book shops there with music sections so hopefully you'll be able to find it. Good luck!

01-06-2005, 05:09 PM	#7
financeguy Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 8,286 Local Time: 10:19 PM	That's interesting about Beautiful Day, must check it out.

01-10-2005, 05:31 PM	#8
u2rose Babyface Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 13 Local Time: 10:19 PM	Not to toot our my own horn, but a site I host has a lot of great essays/ ideas people have written and contributed to just this very question. Find it at U2Literary [dot] com Still looking for "Bomb" literary references. Anyone?

02-06-2005, 01:36 PM	#9
zooroper The Fly Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Split, Croatia Posts: 167 Local Time: 10:19 PM	edge's guitar is heavily influenced by the band "gang of four". it's almost identycal.

05-18-2005, 09:09 PM	#10
Lewis12 The Fly Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 88 Local Time: 02:19 PM	We can't forget John Lennon as a major influence either? God Part II is a continuation of John's Song "God". Of course "Every artist is a thief..." is a direct quote from John Lennon. There are other songs as we know, live versions of Help, etc. Jeesh, I even heard Bono sing John's Norwegian Wood here in Seattle last month in concert. There is a big J.L. influence, which is a nice touch to an already diversified, complex and creative group. Something we all forget at times is that Bono is part of U2, and he may be the obvious one out front, but the influence the other members have on him may be greater than we realize -- which is a good thing. For example, I've heard that Adam is next to Bono during most phases of Bono's singing/creating of a song, and Adam critiques it all the way through, even guiding him at times. The four legged chair comment that Bono always mentions may apply on an intellectual level as well.

05-18-2005, 09:27 PM	#11
marik Refugee Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Edmonton, Ab, Canada Posts: 1,135 Local Time: 10:19 PM	where did you hear about adam's involvement?

05-19-2005, 12:17 AM	#12
blueeyedgirl Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bottom of the earth Posts: 5,914 Local Time: 08:49 AM	Actually now you mention that, I remember an interview around the time of Unforgettable Fire methinks, and Adam spoke of usually being the only one in the studio listening to Bono singing or being there as he worked out the lyrics. He spoke about not exactly listening closely to every word Bono said and thinking if it made sense, but more the "colours and sounds" of the lyrics and if they fit.

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starsgoblue Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Looking for direction to perfection Posts: 17,832 Local Time: 05:19 PM	Into the Heart: The Stories Behind Every U2 Song by Niall Stokes is a good place to start And U2literary.com is a good site!

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beli Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a frock in Western Australia Posts: 15,336 Local Time: 06:19 AM	Given Bono has ripped off lyrics from John Lennon and Neil Diamond I would suggest they are lyrical influences.

05-26-2005, 03:50 PM	#15
Scarlet Lady The Fly Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 77 Local Time: 10:19 PM	"Bruce Springsteen was the buddha of my youth" (Bono)