ImOuttaControl

I write/record my own music, and I usually nitpick at the end result---so I see your point.

However, how much acclaim does a band need before they get over what looks like a self esteem issue? How many awards, sold out stadiums, classic albums, hit songs and fans does a band need before they finally say...."You know...even though we think this song isn't the song we heard in our heads, our fans love it...so it's great." I'm a high school teacher and what this reminds me of is the kid who has it all, who is extrememly gifted and has the world going for them, yet this kid cannot accept a compliment and constantly gloomy about things they've done that aren't "perfect."

What one person views is humility another person can view as self-loathing.

God, Part II

Exactly! Humility, self-loathing...call it what you will but, either way, it gets damn tiring...

BVS

Well being a finance person, you should know that book prices are driven by market and not the "writers"...

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^Apparently he did.

MyBloodySleeve

BVS

Well this will be a question that humanity asks until the end of time... Artist from the beginning of time have never been completely satisfied with their own works... To greet it with disdain or anger seems very odd.

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MyBloodySleeve

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You know, the thing is, nobody puts a gun to your head and makes you read this stuff.

If someone told me, I don't know, that Mick Jagger is very self-effacing and his humility can be perceived as self-loathing, well, that would be news to me...it could not get tiring for me, cos I'm not at all exposed to it. I listen to Exile on Main Street and enjoy it and that's about it......

If you're tired of U2's humility, self-loathing, self-deprecation, whatever you want to term it, then why don't you simply avoid having access to such information?

last unicorn

Be careful with psychological terms like this. Being critical of one's own work is a very natural, healthy and important thing for any artist. Self-loathing, as you call it, is a psychological PROBLEM. It makes me angry if people carelessly throw around terms like these. U2 being critical of their work has nothing to do with "self loathing". I would be more worried if they found everything they've ever done perfect.

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blueeyedgirl

Ah the Eamon Dunphy book, what a great bit of fiction.

I tend to agree with the view of the U2 by U2 being a great work of revisionism. I suppose it would be difficult for the members of U2 not to review their history with a great dollop of revisionism, but it does get a tad tiring. For my money, the best U2 books are the Hot Press compilations, and the Bill Graham book (who should have written their bio, not effin Dunphy).

God, Part II

Ah, great advice. If I don't like the truth of something, avoid it and create my own fiction to feel better about things. Religious man, are ya?

God, Part II

Suppose rather than "carelessly throwing around terms", some of us are legitimately of the opinion that U2 (rather irritatingly) straddles a real line between legitimate self-criticism and unwarranted self-loathing? What, just because it's U2, they can't have actual psychological problems? Hell, Bono has said many times that he needs a crowd of thousands cheering him nightly to feel normal; I'd say it's a given that they (that just about any public artist) have some level of psychological problems.

last unicorn

Yes, like any other human being.

Still I don't think "self-loathing" is part of that, it's a very strong term.

I am an artist myself and very critical of my work, I think that's a healthy and important attitude and has nothing to do with hating who you are. Of couse, sometimes it can be this way, but I don't see this with ANY member of U2.

And Bono is often being cheeky with comments.

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Oh! My apologies!!! I did not realize that you could synthesize the words of others into factual interpretations of their intent. My apologies, by all means, continue to read Bono's quotes then complain.....

On a serious note, how you could have read what I said then came up with this reply boggles the mind....but, then again, this area of the site is not exactly teeming with brain surgeons, now is it?

Carry on, kids.

God, Part II

You, in effect, said if I'm irritated by the truth of something, I should avoid it. Tell me how that interpretation is wrong, and while you're at it, tell me how that could be healthy.

No spoken words

You're missing the point. There's no "truth" here. Your interpretation of someone's words is not a fact, sorry. Also, we're not talking about some grand idea that you would be turning a blind eye/deaf ear to. You stated that listening to Bono/the band speak in less than glowing terms about their music was getting annoying. Are the words of the band that important to you that you must listen to every word, even if they serve to annoy you? Howard Stern annoys me, so, guess what? I don't listen to his show. Does that mean that I won't listen to John McCain during a debate, even though he and I have different political belief systems? No, it's important to me that I listen to him, it's not that important to listen to Bono babble.

Let's not take a micro view of an issue and blow it up and pretend that I'm espousing such a course of action for all things.....there are shades of grey in life.

Bonochick

I bought mine not long after it had been out and still haven't finished it.

You're posting here too, you know.

If you guys want to debate things and have different opinions, fine, but there is no need to start resulting to insulting words.

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Yes, yes I am. Nice place to visit, wouldn't want to live here.

Also, it's ok to not be a brain surgeon.....some people merely practice internal medicine, etc.