Native Son vs Vertigo - Page 3

gvox · 05-18-2009, 01:35 AM

Agreed on both, Native Son and NLOTH2

GretzkyU2Yanks · 05-20-2009, 01:10 PM

NLOTH fits the sound of the album better, so right choice by them.

But NLOTH2 is better musically (IMO). sounds like AB with the dirty guitar and all. reminds me of lady with a spinning head. when I heard this song 1st back in Feb before finding out it was the single b side version, I couldnt have been more excited for the new album.

the vocal though??? My god, its bono as alvin and the chipmunks! Id love to hear NLOTH vocals with NLOTH2 music.

bazza · 05-23-2009, 01:58 AM

love NS - nice and raw

RedRocksU2 · 10-11-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bazza

love NS - nice and raw

Edge_Orchestra · 05-23-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ouizy

I might be in the minority here, but I really think Native Son is a better song than Vertigo.

It is clearly a working version of the song, but I really love the lyrics and think that if they brought it to fruition it would have been a better song than Vertigo. (maybe not as successful in sales)

I just love the riff, and when put to serious lyrics it is a great song - when pu to the Vertigo lyrics, it is really about nothing.

Anyone else dig the Native Son version?

The lyrics for "Vertigo" are better. The vocal on Vertigo and Native Son are close if not equal. But the guitars and arrangment on Native Son are FAR better, to my ears.

This is where I think Steve Lillywhite watered down the tune. The bridge on Native Son is the best bridge The Who never wrote. (That is who that bit reminds me of). And that bridge is full of passion. Also, and more important to my ears, the guitars on Native Son are more raw/razor-like... dare I say 'edgey'.

I like Steve Lillywhite's work, for the most part. I do think some of the things he did on HTDAAB were watered things down. If 'radioplay' is what the aim was, well then they succeeded. But I think he drained the 'intent' of some of the tunes.

Intent? The band, around the time of HTAAB, spoke of revisiting The Clash, Buzzcocks, Siouxsie and Echo and the Bunnymen... things that excitied them in the beginning and made them want to be a band. This was lost when the guitars were watered down from Native Son and turned into Vertigo.

The same can be said by the rearranging of "Xanax And Wine" to "Fast Cars". Both good songs. Lyric might be better on "Fast Cars". But the guitars and arrangement, to my ears, is FAR more rockin' on "Xanax And Wine".

Tommy WM · 05-25-2009, 10:55 PM

I think Edge is better in Native Son...especially around the chorus. But in the end it wasn't as up beat as Vertigo was!

SpaceBoy · 10-09-2009, 11:53 PM

I've always liked Native Son more, I'm really glad they didn't just let it sit in the vault forever after releasing Vertigo. I like the arrangement (especially the delayed guitar part in the chorus not present in Vertigo) and the mix a lot more as well as the lyrics. Also, as many other have mentioned, the bridge is just killer.

phillyfan26 · 10-11-2009, 02:48 AM

I've been comparing these two more recently. It's only more convinced me that Native Son is so much better. Listen to that middle 8. That "free" part with that great riff against that stupid "all of this can be yours?" Those great lyrics versus the stupidity of "Hello, hello?" Native Son just kicks Vertigo's ass in every way.

gvox · 10-11-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyfan26

I've been comparing these two more recently. It's only more convinced me that Native Son is so much better. Listen to that middle 8. That "free" part with that great riff against that stupid "all of this can be yours?" Those great lyrics versus the stupidity of "Hello, hello?" Native Son just kicks Vertigo's ass in every way.

theedgeu2 · 11-01-2009, 07:07 PM

Most epic bridge EVER! Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! It's amazing how he holds that note so long! I'd easily take NS over Vertigo. The thing with not using NS because there's two guitar tracks and it's "too complicated live for Edge" is nonsense. I'll help Edge out w/ the second guitar. I think if they were to do NS live the energy would be off the charts!

U2girl · 11-02-2009, 01:06 PM

Bono's voice would go out on a nightly basis if he tried that "FREEE" scream live.

theedgeu2 · 11-02-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by U2girl

Bono's voice would go out on a nightly basis if he tried that "FREEE" scream live.

They could record the "free" part and play that while Bono pretends to sing it. I wouldn't really care. Just an awesome song all around!

phillyfan26 · 11-02-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by U2girl

Bono's voice would go out on a nightly basis if he tried that "FREEE" scream live.

He was able to do the "man" part in Kite during the Elevation Tour.

Edge_Orchestra · 11-02-2009, 09:44 PM

To me - The guitars tones are sharper, more punk-ish and energetic on Native Son. They constantly spoke of revisiting their influences while making HTDAAB.

The bridge is better on Native Son.

The lyric is better Vertigo.

Mildly related: Xanax and Wine has more rockin' guitars. To me, it is better than Fast Cars.

And The iTunes Complete U2 version of Sometimes... has some deep deep emotion in the verses that are not on the album version. But I can understand that might have been harder to sing each night. I can agree with Lillywhite that it needed a stronger chorus and the released version has that.

phillyfan26 · 11-03-2009, 12:07 AM

What? The biggest improvement from Vertigo to Native Son is the lyric! That's the main thing that makes Native Son better, along with the improved bridge.

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phillyfan26 Let 'er Fly! Premium Silver Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: '33 Sectionals, One Point Down Posts: 29,692 Local Time: 02:50 AM	I've been comparing these two more recently. It's only more convinced me that Native Son is so much better. Listen to that middle 8. That "free" part with that great riff against that stupid "all of this can be yours?" Those great lyrics versus the stupidity of "Hello, hello?" Native Son just kicks Vertigo's ass in every way. __________________

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phillyfan26 Let 'er Fly! Premium Silver Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: '33 Sectionals, One Point Down Posts: 29,692 Local Time: 02:50 AM	What? The biggest improvement from Vertigo to Native Son is the lyric! That's the main thing that makes Native Son better, along with the improved bridge. __________________

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05-20-2009, 01:10 PM	#2
GretzkyU2Yanks Acrobat Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Boston and New York Posts: 429 Local Time: 02:50 AM	NLOTH fits the sound of the album better, so right choice by them. But NLOTH2 is better musically (IMO). sounds like AB with the dirty guitar and all. reminds me of lady with a spinning head. when I heard this song 1st back in Feb before finding out it was the single b side version, I couldnt have been more excited for the new album. the vocal though??? My god, its bono as alvin and the chipmunks! Id love to hear NLOTH vocals with NLOTH2 music.

05-23-2009, 01:58 AM	#3
bazza War Child Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 738 Local Time: 08:50 AM	love NS - nice and raw

05-25-2009, 10:55 PM	#6
Tommy WM The Fly Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Adelaide, SA Posts: 265 Local Time: 06:20 PM	I think Edge is better in Native Son...especially around the chorus. But in the end it wasn't as up beat as Vertigo was!

10-09-2009, 11:53 PM	#7
SpaceBoy War Child Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 507 Local Time: 07:50 AM	I've always liked Native Son more, I'm really glad they didn't just let it sit in the vault forever after releasing Vertigo. I like the arrangement (especially the delayed guitar part in the chorus not present in Vertigo) and the mix a lot more as well as the lyrics. Also, as many other have mentioned, the bridge is just killer.

11-01-2009, 07:07 PM	#10
theedgeu2 War Child Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The City of Blinding Lights Posts: 788 Local Time: 02:50 AM	Most epic bridge EVER! Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! It's amazing how he holds that note so long! I'd easily take NS over Vertigo. The thing with not using NS because there's two guitar tracks and it's "too complicated live for Edge" is nonsense. I'll help Edge out w/ the second guitar. I think if they were to do NS live the energy would be off the charts!

11-02-2009, 01:06 PM	#11
U2girl Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: slovenija Posts: 17,164 Local Time: 08:50 AM	Bono's voice would go out on a nightly basis if he tried that "FREEE" scream live.

11-02-2009, 09:44 PM	#14
Edge_Orchestra Refugee Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 2,454 Local Time: 07:50 AM	To me - The guitars tones are sharper, more punk-ish and energetic on Native Son. They constantly spoke of revisiting their influences while making HTDAAB. The bridge is better on Native Son. The lyric is better Vertigo. Mildly related: Xanax and Wine has more rockin' guitars. To me, it is better than Fast Cars. And The iTunes Complete U2 version of Sometimes... has some deep deep emotion in the verses that are not on the album version. But I can understand that might have been harder to sing each night. I can agree with Lillywhite that it needed a stronger chorus and the released version has that.