Songs of Ascent - Part III

**Sicy** · 10-01-2009, 07:09 PM

Continue discussing (not arguing) here.

Previous thread:
Songs of Ascent - Part II

For the people that are out of the loop, if someone could post links or any other information about when and if this album is coming out, that would be helpful.

powerhour24 · 10-01-2009, 07:14 PM

As per the comment that they should write about sex and drugs?? Um, 1 grow up, and 2, remember what band we're discussing. Aside from the songs about other people's addictions, what does U2 have to do with drugs? And this sounds even more spiritual than NLOTH, the cleanness and spirituality are both parts of their appeal to me.

Vlad n U 2 · 10-01-2009, 07:16 PM

The whole "I want to get singles on the pop charts" thing is starting to worry me, and has dampened my spirits a little bit.

digitize · 10-01-2009, 07:24 PM

Regarding the sex/drugs thing, I thought the original poster was talking about them writing about sex and drugs in a Guns-N-Roses-type way. If they want to make more songs like MOS and Bad, I fully condone it (MOS and Bad are two of my five favorite U2 songs).

Vlad n U 2 · 10-01-2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitize

Regarding the sex/drugs thing, I thought the original poster was talking about them writing about sex and drugs in a Guns-N-Roses-type way. If they want to make more songs like MOS and Bad, I fully condone it (MOS and Bad are two of my five favorite U2 songs).

I agree, even if U2 write songs related to these things, they make it seem vague and not at all sleazy.

Gilead12 · 10-01-2009, 07:58 PM

What we have to remember with the comment about hits it that U2 really believe in the power of a beautiful melody to rip through the consciousness of entire countries. It's not so much a matter of making a song commercial for them (no songs about chasing hot girls or getting high) as it is finding that melody that's just instantly unforgettable.

The intro to WOWY, the drums/guitar as SBS builds, the piano/guitar on BD... you hear that and you just KNOW it's major.

NLOTH had plenty of beautiful songs, but none of them had that instant classic feel. I'm not even saying it lacked U2 classics (heck, I think MOS, Magnificent, and arguably Breathe/UC/NLOTH/CT are all right there).

What the band means, I think, is not that they're going to go into the studio and scrap beautiful music until they have something that's pure pop. They just mean they want at least one of those songs that you never forget, one of those songs that becomes, by way of the pop consciousness, practically eternal.

U2 believe in an "If you build it, they will come" ethic. They really believe that if they can just find the right melody, the right beautiful chorus, the right sound, the whole world will sit up and listen.

So I don't let it worry me too much. These guys know what good music sounds like.

Vlad n U 2 · 10-01-2009, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilead12

What we have to remember with the comment about hits it that U2 really believe in the power of a beautiful melody to rip through the consciousness of entire countries. It's not so much a matter of making a song commercial for them (no songs about chasing hot girls or getting high) as it is finding that melody that's just instantly unforgettable.

The intro to WOWY, the drums/guitar as SBS builds, the piano/guitar on BD... you hear that and you just KNOW it's major.

NLOTH had plenty of beautiful songs, but none of them had that instant classic feel. I'm not even saying it lacked U2 classics (heck, I think MOS, Magnificent, and arguably Breathe/UC/NLOTH/CT are all right there).

What the band means, I think, is not that they're going to go into the studio and scrap beautiful music until they have something that's pure pop. They just mean they want at least one of those songs that you never forget, one of those songs that becomes, by way of the pop consciousness, practically eternal.

U2 believe in an "If you build it, they will come" ethic. They really believe that if they can just find the right melody, the right beautiful chorus, the right sound, the whole world will sit up and listen.

So I don't let it worry me too much. These guys know what good music sounds like.

I like your theory, Gilead. But what would you think of the people that would simply scream "sell out" after this pure pop single is unleashed into the airwaves.

Aygo · 10-01-2009, 08:10 PM

1) Loved the assumption that NLOTH was well received by the overall public/critics, but not commercially as much as hoped, specially on the singles' impact.

2) I looooooved Bono's intervention about his reaction to people's dumbness about him and the band and the analogy of rock band/politicians. Perfect.

3) Didn't like the desperation for an hit single. They want a moody, slower (maybe even more atmospheric) album. How do they want to put it on the radios if that's the extreme opposite of what radios are looking for these days? How are they gonna make it? Put some sort of GOYB (which I love) in the middle of more paced-down songs like NLOTH?

4) Glad to see the will of releasing SOA ASAP. I think that this time we have too many indicators that there's another album coming soon, unlike in the past.

ozeeko · 10-01-2009, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powerhour24

As per the comment that they should write about sex and drugs?? Um, 1 grow up, and 2, remember what band we're discussing. Aside from the songs about other people's addictions, what does U2 have to do with drugs? And this sounds even more spiritual than NLOTH, the cleanness and spirituality are both parts of their appeal to me.

I was that original poster.

1) What is so immature about writing about sex and drugs if they're done in an artistic manner? Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" is about an orgasm for crying out loud.

2) What does U2 have to do with sex and drugs? Okay, for starters: Bad, Running To Stand Still, Wire, MOS, Discoteque, Do You Feel Loved, If You Wear That Velvet Dress, Deep In The Heart, The Unforgettable Fire, Hawkmoon, Desire, Even Better Than The Real Thing, So Cruel, Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses, Elevation, Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car...

powerhour24 · 10-02-2009, 01:58 AM

Sex yes, and other people's addiction, if we're talking in the vein of what U2's done that's fine, I'm sorry but just seeing at face value a post saying U2 need more sex and drugs... that's the dead dinosaur rock star that we never had to see U2 become, and I hope we don't.

powerhour24 · 10-02-2009, 01:59 AM

And yeah more power to Bono for addressing that image problem, shows those people he's not out of touch and he's a human being that doesn't deserve to be decried.

powerhour24 · 10-02-2009, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilead12

What we have to remember with the comment about hits it that U2 really believe in the power of a beautiful melody to rip through the consciousness of entire countries. It's not so much a matter of making a song commercial for them (no songs about chasing hot girls or getting high) as it is finding that melody that's just instantly unforgettable.

The intro to WOWY, the drums/guitar as SBS builds, the piano/guitar on BD... you hear that and you just KNOW it's major.

NLOTH had plenty of beautiful songs, but none of them had that instant classic feel. I'm not even saying it lacked U2 classics (heck, I think MOS, Magnificent, and arguably Breathe/UC/NLOTH/CT are all right there).

What the band means, I think, is not that they're going to go into the studio and scrap beautiful music until they have something that's pure pop. They just mean they want at least one of those songs that you never forget, one of those songs that becomes, by way of the pop consciousness, practically eternal.

U2 believe in an "If you build it, they will come" ethic. They really believe that if they can just find the right melody, the right beautiful chorus, the right sound, the whole world will sit up and listen.

So I don't let it worry me too much. These guys know what good music sounds like.

I truly want to believe you're 115% right!

coolian2 · 10-02-2009, 02:03 AM

i swear to god.

Tyagu_Anaykus · 10-02-2009, 03:58 AM

I love satan

mikal · 10-02-2009, 07:01 AM

does anyone else here hate the album "Songs Of Ascent" so far? i just really don't like it at all.

10-01-2009, 07:09 PM	#1
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10-01-2009, 07:14 PM	#2
powerhour24 Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 5,057 Local Time: 05:17 PM	As per the comment that they should write about sex and drugs?? Um, 1 grow up, and 2, remember what band we're discussing. Aside from the songs about other people's addictions, what does U2 have to do with drugs? And this sounds even more spiritual than NLOTH, the cleanness and spirituality are both parts of their appeal to me.

10-01-2009, 07:16 PM	#3
Vlad n U 2 Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Probably in a commieblock Posts: 9,497 Local Time: 07:47 AM	The whole "I want to get singles on the pop charts" thing is starting to worry me, and has dampened my spirits a little bit.

10-01-2009, 07:24 PM	#4
digitize Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 7,514 Local Time: 04:17 PM	Regarding the sex/drugs thing, I thought the original poster was talking about them writing about sex and drugs in a Guns-N-Roses-type way. If they want to make more songs like MOS and Bad, I fully condone it (MOS and Bad are two of my five favorite U2 songs).

10-01-2009, 07:58 PM	#6
Gilead12 Refugee Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,135 Local Time: 09:17 PM	What we have to remember with the comment about hits it that U2 really believe in the power of a beautiful melody to rip through the consciousness of entire countries. It's not so much a matter of making a song commercial for them (no songs about chasing hot girls or getting high) as it is finding that melody that's just instantly unforgettable. The intro to WOWY, the drums/guitar as SBS builds, the piano/guitar on BD... you hear that and you just KNOW it's major. NLOTH had plenty of beautiful songs, but none of them had that instant classic feel. I'm not even saying it lacked U2 classics (heck, I think MOS, Magnificent, and arguably Breathe/UC/NLOTH/CT are all right there). What the band means, I think, is not that they're going to go into the studio and scrap beautiful music until they have something that's pure pop. They just mean they want at least one of those songs that you never forget, one of those songs that becomes, by way of the pop consciousness, practically eternal. U2 believe in an "If you build it, they will come" ethic. They really believe that if they can just find the right melody, the right beautiful chorus, the right sound, the whole world will sit up and listen. So I don't let it worry me too much. These guys know what good music sounds like.

10-01-2009, 08:10 PM	#8
Aygo New Yorker Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 2,623 Local Time: 09:17 PM	1) Loved the assumption that NLOTH was well received by the overall public/critics, but not commercially as much as hoped, specially on the singles' impact. 2) I looooooved Bono's intervention about his reaction to people's dumbness about him and the band and the analogy of rock band/politicians. Perfect. 3) Didn't like the desperation for an hit single. They want a moody, slower (maybe even more atmospheric) album. How do they want to put it on the radios if that's the extreme opposite of what radios are looking for these days? How are they gonna make it? Put some sort of GOYB (which I love) in the middle of more paced-down songs like NLOTH? 4) Glad to see the will of releasing SOA ASAP. I think that this time we have too many indicators that there's another album coming soon, unlike in the past.

10-02-2009, 01:58 AM	#10
powerhour24 Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 5,057 Local Time: 05:17 PM	Sex yes, and other people's addiction, if we're talking in the vein of what U2's done that's fine, I'm sorry but just seeing at face value a post saying U2 need more sex and drugs... that's the dead dinosaur rock star that we never had to see U2 become, and I hope we don't.

10-02-2009, 01:59 AM	#11
powerhour24 Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 5,057 Local Time: 05:17 PM	And yeah more power to Bono for addressing that image problem, shows those people he's not out of touch and he's a human being that doesn't deserve to be decried.

10-02-2009, 03:58 AM	#14
Tyagu_Anaykus Refugee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: The Wanderer Posts: 1,928 Local Time: 09:17 PM	I love satan

10-02-2009, 07:01 AM	#15
mikal ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Fez Posts: 13,420 Local Time: 04:17 PM	does anyone else here hate the album "Songs Of Ascent" so far? i just really don't like it at all.