Songs of Ascent - Part IV - Page 8

Irvine511 · 11-14-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Muldfeld

Right because U2 has never used works of fiction for inspiration. I'm talking about something for which the UN assembled a panel to discuss and this hasn't happened for any fictional work in the UN's history. Its first 3 seasons show far greater realism and moral ambiguity about the challenges facing our world than any of Bono's lyrics in the 12 years. You have to go all the way back to "Please" for anything truthful. Bono just tells the world Israelis and Palestinians have to "lay down your guns" to create peace, but occupation and apartheid don't require active warfare. When the Palestinians stop using violence, the suffering continues -- as it has in Gaza the last 10 months -- and the Israelis get to ignore them and continue destroying their lives.

Eno knows much better:

YouTube - Brian Eno \| Stop Gaza Massacre protest London Saturday 3 January 2009

so you judge one's musical credibility based upon how much you agree with their political leanings?

you've also got just about the most blinkered view on the Israel/Palestine issue on here, so i'd argue that your black-and-white viewpoint on said issue bleeds well into your vicious opinions on everything and everyone -- other fans are idiots, fools, not real fans, you hate the people in Toronto because they're not as socialist as the people in Montreal ... things you don't like are stupid and dumbed-down, U2 are cowardly ... just look at the language you use to describe your opinions, like a petulant and angry 14 year old who's been sent to his room without supper, and then wonder why people react to you the way that you do.

mikal · 11-14-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Muldfeld

You know there's a really ugly inside club attitude about a lot of you folks on this site. You love to gang up on people. Very petty. Why can't you just deal with what I say instead of descending into personal attacks just because you can't stand someone criticizing your band. You're the cowards.

i apologize. i won't respond to your posts anymore unless they make sense. otherwise, i'll stay away.

RedRocksU2 · 11-14-2009, 11:45 AM

U2girl · 11-14-2009, 01:08 PM

After a free gig at the site of the Berlin Wall, Bono and The Edge headed to the South of France for a 2 week songwriting session. "We've been playing really well on tour and getting better and better, and we need to distill whatever we have into some songs," says Bono. The band is still debating whether the next record will consist of songs from the NLOTH sessions - the unfinished album known as Songs of Ascent - or an entirely new set of tunes. Says Bono, "I would like to put out an album quickly, but we're only going to do it if it's great."

Sounds like Bono and Edge will have a look at what they got so far in those two weeks in France. I'm not getting the feeling SOA is out of the picture for 2010, just that they are not sure exactly what it will consist of at this point. There's plenty of time for that in between the end of US leg 1 and the start of US leg 2...technically we could be looking at another future album potentially: SOA, Rubin songs and these *x* songs started during 360 tour.

popacrobat · 11-14-2009, 02:53 PM

If they feel they need a big hit to go with SOA they could possibly revisit some of the Rubin songs or something and add one or two to SOA, even if it doesn't fit in with the album. I'd prefer one or two odd-ball radio-friendly tracks to go with the rest of the album if it meant we received an album in 2010. Plus, sometimes those catchy-pop songs can be pretty good. I've got nothing wrong with it when they want to write a few of those.

Rich79 · 11-14-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by popacrobat

If they feel they need a big hit to go with SOA they could possibly revisit some of the Rubin songs or something and add one or two to SOA, even if it doesn't fit in with the album. I'd prefer one or two odd-ball radio-friendly tracks to go with the rest of the album if it meant we received an album in 2010. Plus, sometimes those catchy-pop songs can be pretty good. I've got nothing wrong with it when they want to write a few of those.

No thanks. I feel like the reason NLOTH was not an amazing record is because there were some last-minute attempt at a big hit songs; and having those mixed in with some experimental gems, really made the album feel disjointed and incoherent. I'd rather they use the material they have (because it probably is the more experimental stuff that wasn't used on NLOTH and I bet it fits together nicely as an album - all speculation of course) rather than write up some hurried "Crazy Tonight/Crumbs From Your Table/SYCMIOYO/Original of the Species/Stand Up Comedy" re-hash or another "Vertigo/GOYB" style song.

Unless they are writing songs in a Zooropa-style way where they really want to capture the spirit of a new direction and experimentation and see what they can come up with within just a few months time, I think I'd rather hear what they have in the bag already.

To me, this recent song-writing news just sounds like they're second-guessing themselves and I think that's where they've been going wrong lately. I just feel like the harder they try to make big hit songs, the more they won't succeed in doing so. Too much focus on being the biggest band, when they already are; no need to prove something we already know is true.

Irvine511 · 11-14-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mikal

i apologize. i won't respond to your posts anymore unless they make sense. otherwise, i'll stay away.

i should do the same.

popacrobat · 11-14-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich79

No thanks. I feel like the reason NLOTH was not an amazing record is because there were some last-minute attempt at a big hit songs; and having those mixed in with some experimental gems, really made the album feel disjointed and incoherent. I'd rather they use the material they have (because it probably is the more experimental stuff that wasn't used on NLOTH and I bet it fits together nicely as an album - all speculation of course) rather than write up some hurried "Crazy Tonight/Crumbs From Your Table/SYCMIOYO/Original of the Species/Stand Up Comedy" re-hash or another "Vertigo/GOYB" style song.

Unless they are writing songs in a Zooropa-style way where they really want to capture the spirit of a new direction and experimentation and see what they can come up with within just a few months time, I think I'd rather hear what they have in the bag already.

To me, this recent song-writing news just sounds like they're second-guessing themselves and I think that's where they've been going wrong lately. I just feel like the harder they try to make big hit songs, the more they won't succeed in doing so. Too much focus on being the biggest band, when they already are; no need to prove something we already know is true.

So you'd rather wait another three years rather than another six months? My point being, they aren't going to simply release what they have in the bag. They want to have a couple of hits in there somewhere I'm sure. If they think SOA is going to be even more "alienating" to the public then they likely won't release it.

Zoocoustic · 11-14-2009, 05:51 PM

Honestly: does anyone really think we're going to get another album before, say, 2012?

This is U2 we are talking about.

Niceman · 11-14-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoocoustic

Honestly: does anyone really think we're going to get another album before, say, 2012?

This is U2 we are talking about.

Yes, I do: 2010.

BVS · 11-14-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoocoustic

Honestly: does anyone really think we're going to get another album before, say, 2012?

This is U2 we are talking about.

Yes... When has U2 ever had such a large break in a tour?

They almost have to in order to keep this tour relevant.

They seem disappointed, so we might get an album purely out of desperation.

They've been talking about since before NLOTH was released...

And this is the first time we've actually had talks about an new album coming sooner rather than later that actually has titles to go with it.

So all of these things are out of the ordinary for U2...

So if you do the math it = good news for fans.

Visiongfx · 11-14-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

They almost have to in order to keep this tour relevant.
They seem disappointed, so we might get an album purely out of desperation.
.

This makes me sad

They are disappointed with the NLOTH? I wasn't....

I hope this doesn't drive U2 to put out a easy record just to boost sales? This doesn't seem like them

BVS · 11-14-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Visiongfx

This makes me sad

They are disappointed with the NLOTH? I wasn't....

I hope this doesn't drive U2 to put out a easy record just to boost sales? This doesn't seem like them

I don't really think this either, but desperation can be inspiration in a positive way too sometimes... and if they don't have time to overcook this can be good.

RavenBlue · 11-14-2009, 11:39 PM

If they judge their success only on chart hits then sure.. NLOTH is a flop to them. But to me, NLOTH is so much more.. it came to me at a time when I really needed it and was a guiding lifeline that helped me through one of the most difficult times of my life. Maybe they need to look more at personal impact than the charts.. besides.. what are the charts full of these days anyway... mostly crap.

Visiongfx · 11-14-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RavenBlue

If they judge their success only on chart hits then sure.. NLOTH is a flop to them. But to me, NLOTH is so much more.. it came to me at a time when I really needed it and was a guiding lifeline that helped me through one of the most difficult times of my life. Maybe they need to look more at personal impact than the charts.. besides.. what are the charts full of these days anyway... mostly crap.

Yeah and considering the economic decline... people rather get it free online and save the money for something else...

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U2girl Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: slovenija Posts: 17,476 Local Time: 02:37 PM	After a free gig at the site of the Berlin Wall, Bono and The Edge headed to the South of France for a 2 week songwriting session. "We've been playing really well on tour and getting better and better, and we need to distill whatever we have into some songs," says Bono. The band is still debating whether the next record will consist of songs from the NLOTH sessions - the unfinished album known as Songs of Ascent - or an entirely new set of tunes. Says Bono, "I would like to put out an album quickly, but we're only going to do it if it's great." Sounds like Bono and Edge will have a look at what they got so far in those two weeks in France. I'm not getting the feeling SOA is out of the picture for 2010, just that they are not sure exactly what it will consist of at this point. There's plenty of time for that in between the end of US leg 1 and the start of US leg 2...technically we could be looking at another future album potentially: SOA, Rubin songs and these x songs started during 360 tour.

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popacrobat Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: I do Hungry Posts: 6,488 Local Time: 09:37 AM	If they feel they need a big hit to go with SOA they could possibly revisit some of the Rubin songs or something and add one or two to SOA, even if it doesn't fit in with the album. I'd prefer one or two odd-ball radio-friendly tracks to go with the rest of the album if it meant we received an album in 2010. Plus, sometimes those catchy-pop songs can be pretty good. I've got nothing wrong with it when they want to write a few of those.

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RavenBlue Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The majestic Canuckian wilderness Posts: 15,444 Local Time: 10:37 AM	If they judge their success only on chart hits then sure.. NLOTH is a flop to them. But to me, NLOTH is so much more.. it came to me at a time when I really needed it and was a guiding lifeline that helped me through one of the most difficult times of my life. Maybe they need to look more at personal impact than the charts.. besides.. what are the charts full of these days anyway... mostly crap.