A Nation Divided... - Page 6

Tiger Edge · 10-20-2009, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

anyway ...

yes, but do you have a timestamp for each of these quotes? i need to know the exact moment these glorious words emerged from rush's open piehole.

Irvine511 · 10-20-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyfan26

I mean, really?

Either he's a racist asshole or he's an empty-headed twat. Or both. There's no in between. To support him is to support racism or stupidity or both. To defend him is to defend racism, stupidity, or both. This is patently clear to anyone with common sense.

or, more likely, Rush knows that his audience are made up, in large part, of racist assholes who are resentful towards "black people" as a group for a variety of vague reasons connected to class that are far too complex to go into here.

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Originally Posted by hiphop

Lol what a giant clusterfuck. It is amazing to see how easily people waste their precious time. Lucky me, I just wasted 3 minutes. Thanks.

must be awesome to be so awesome!

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Originally Posted by Tiger Edge

yes, but do you have a timestamp for each of these quotes? i need to know the exact moment these glorious words emerged from rush's open piehole.

somehow, i don't think that would be good enough.

but, yet, we can take, word-for-word, what some people writing decades after the fact who were creating a religion said that Jesus said over 2,000 years ago and use that to inflate our lives with meaning.

maycocksean · 10-20-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hiphop

Lol what a giant clusterfuck. It is amazing to see how easily people waste their precious time. Lucky me, I just wasted 3 minutes. Thanks.

Makes me kind of glad I didn't try to find the dates of the quotes. . .

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

but, yet, we can take, word-for-word, what some people writing decades after the fact who were creating a religion said that Jesus said over 2,000 years ago and use that to inflate our lives with meaning.

How do we get from Limbaugh is a racist to. . .this?

Irvine511 · 10-21-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by maycocksean

How do we get from Limbaugh is a racist to. . .this?

i was noting a radical inconsistency in demands for "sources" on the part of one poster who doesn't believe that Rush is a racist, yet either Jesus was a total liar or that his own personal religion is the absolute truth for all times and always.

ultimately, what's happening is that he's seeking to find information that can be shaped to fit whatever preexisting worldview. not that we don't all do that to some extent, it just seems particularly breathtaking to do that in the same thread.

in other news, guys, this has NOTHING to do with racism. nothing, okay? and it has nothing to do with news entertainers using racism to stoke up drama on their prime-time Fox News shows.

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Secret Service strained as leaders face more threats

By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | October 18, 2009
WASHINGTON - The unprecedented number of death threats against President Obama, a rise in racist hate groups, and a new wave of antigovernment fervor threaten to overwhelm the US Secret Service, according to government officials and reports, raising new questions about the 144-year-old agency’s overall mission.

The Secret Service is tracking a far broader range of possible threats to the nation’s leaders, the officials said, even as it also investigates financial crimes such as counterfeiting as part of its original mandate.

The new demands are leading some officials, both inside and outside the agency, to raise the possibility of the service curtailing or dropping its role in fighting financial crime to focus more on protecting leaders and their families from assassination attempts and thwarting terrorist plots aimed at high-profile events.

“If there were an evaluation of the service’s two missions, it might be determined that it is ineffective . . . to conduct its protection mission and investigate financial crimes,’’ according to a inter nal report issued in August by the Congressional Research Service.

The report, which was provided to the Globe, said such a review should look at how money and staff are allocated, and whether some of the agency’s functions and workers should be transferred to the Treasury Department.

“This is a discussion going on not only in some quarters in Congress, but inside the Secret Service. Should there be a re-look at the mission?’’ said a government official, who like others was not authorized to speak publicly about security matters or reveal details about the number or nature of the threats.

Already, there are signs of strain on the agency, officials said. Budget documents submitted to Congress this year said the agency lacks the necessary technology to keep up with threats.

“The network and mainframe system used today struggles to support basic operations,’’ the agency said, requesting an additional $33 million over last year for computers and other information technology.

Asked about the concerns, Special Agent Edwin Donovan, a Secret Service spokesman, said that though “there is no doubt the protection mission has grown,’’ the agency can still fulfill both its missions.

The financial crimes mission remains robust as well, he added, citing some recent large seizures of counterfeit currency.

The Secret Service, long under the Treasury Department but now part of the Department of Homeland Security, was established in 1865 to thwart counterfeiting, a focus that has expanded to include a host of electronic and financial crimes.

Its mission soon expanded to investigating the Ku Klux Klan and conducting counterespionage operations during the Spanish-American War and World War I.

The job of protecting presidents started in 1894 with Grover Cleveland, who was guarded part time. That role expanded after the assassination of William McKinley in 1901, and it became a crime to threaten the president in 1917. Today, guarding the president and other top officials accounts for most of the Secret Service’s budget, which totals about $1.4 billion per year and continues to grow.

The agency has been directed by Congress to guard what it describes an “unprecedented’’ number of individuals, including presidents, vice presidents, their immediate families, former presidents and vice presidents, and visiting dignitaries - as well as presidential candidates during campaigns lasting longer than ever before.

The Service currently protects 32 people - 24 full time and eight part time. It also coordinates security at high-profile events, such as meetings of world leaders and political party conventions. Between Oct. 1, 2008, and Sept. 30, the Secret Service said it protected 116 heads of state and 58 spouses.

“The service’s protection mission has increased and become more urgent, due to the increase in terrorist threats and expanded arsenal of weapons that terrorists could use in an assassination attempt or attacks on facilities,’’ according to the congressional report.

The domestic threat is also growing, fueled in part by Obama’s election as the nation’s first black president, according to specialists who study homegrown radical movements.

Obama, who was given Secret Service protection 18 months before the election - the earliest ever for a presidential candidate - has been the target of more threats since his inauguration than his predecessors.

Two days before Obama’s appearance at San Francisco fund-raisers on Thursday, a 59-year-old Northern California man was indicted on charges of sending a racist, profanity-filled e-mail threatening to kill Obama and his family. The rambling e-mail included specific references to Michelle Obama and the phrase, “do it to his children and family first in front of him,’’ according to the indictment.

The Southern Poverty Law Center says that antigovernment militias and white supremacist groups have strengthened in recent years, responding to an increasingly diverse population and what they see as an expanding government.

A center study released in August found a nearly 35 percent growth in racially based domestic hate groups since 2000 - from 602 to 926. The center concluded that opposition to Obama’s election has only increased the phenomenon.

“A key difference this time is that the federal government - the entity that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy - is headed by a black man,’’ the report said. “One result has been a remarkable rash of domestic terror incidents since the presidential campaign, most of them related to anger over the election of Barack Obama.’’

Threatening language has also found its way into talk radio broadcasts and social networking websites, raising fears that individuals not normally considered threats to the president could be incited to violence.

For example, the Secret Service in recent months has investigated a poll posted on Facebook about whether Obama should be killed. It has interviewed a Florida radio talk show host after a caller mentioned ammunition, target practice, and the president, and federal officials have raised concerns about several instances in which protesters carrying weapons showed up at Obama events, including a man at an August town hall in New Hampshire.

“The racist extremist fringe is exploiting themes that strike a chord in the mainstream more than we have seen in the recent past,’’ said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino, citing several elected leaders who have questioned whether Obama is a US citizen eligible to be president.

The Secret Service has been given more resources to deal with the changing environment. Its total number of employees has risen from 6,700 two years ago to a projected 7,055 in the new fiscal year that began Oct. 1, with almost all the new positions for the protection mission.

Its overall budget request has grown by several hundred million dollars a year, including a nearly a 20 percent increase since 2008 for so-called protective intelligence activities, the efforts to analyze and investigate threats, according to budget documents.

But a significant share of the agency’s budget still goes to investigating financial and other crimes, including 142 field offices nationwide and 22 overseas that also assist the search for missing and exploited children. A new proposal in Congress would allocate $20 million next year for the Secret Service to expand its role and investigate mortgage fraud.

“The establishment of a single mission, or a distinct primary and secondary mission, for the [Secret Service] is one option for Congress,’’ the congressional report said. “One argument for this is that the majority of the Service’s resources are used for its protection mission, and that Congress has raised the issue of the Service’s competing missions of protection and investigation.’’

Secret Service under strain as leaders face more threats - The Boston Globe

The_Pac_Mule · 10-21-2009, 03:03 PM

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or, more likely, Rush knows that his audience are made up, in large part, of racist assholes who are resentful towards "black people" as a group for a variety of vague reasons connected to class that are far too complex to go into here.

My grandma listens to Rush. Guess she's racist.

Irvine511 · 10-21-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Pac_Mule

My grandma listens to Rush. Guess she's racist.

yes, i just called your grandmother a racist.

indra · 10-21-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Pac_Mule

My grandma listens to Rush. Guess she's racist.

You mind thinking someone called your grandmother being racist but didn't mind thinking she was also called an asshole?

She must be a lot like my paternal grandmother!

(for the record, mine was both. And a mean bitch to boot.)

UberBeaver · 10-21-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

yes, i just called your grandmother a racist.

Technically you called her a "racist asshole".

The_Pac_Mule · 10-21-2009, 03:55 PM

All I'm saying is its not good to stereotype.

Irvine511 · 10-21-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Pac_Mule

All I'm saying is its not good to stereotype.

do women tend to watch Oprah? or, do Oprah viewers tend to be women?

BVS · 10-22-2009, 05:22 PM

Faux News:

YouTube - Fox News' War on the White House

2861U2 · 10-22-2009, 05:44 PM

What's your point? Fox not kissing this administration's rear end means they're not news?

The White House is not smart doing this. It's an incredibly dumb idea. Even Democrats are scratching their heads. Why are you acting like this is a good move?

BVS · 10-22-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 2861U2

What's your point?

The sheer stupidity coming out of the mouths of these people... that's my point, to laugh at their stupidity.

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Originally Posted by 2861U2

Why are you acting like this is a good move?

Where did I do this?

2861U2 · 10-22-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Where did I do this?

Well do you think it's a smart move?

Irvine511 · 10-22-2009, 06:49 PM

get a room you two.

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