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11-15-2009, 06:26 PM
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| ONE love, blood, life  Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne
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11-15-2009, 06:31 PM
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11-15-2009, 06:37 PM
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Local Time: 09:21 PM | why are vaginas important to marriage?
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11-15-2009, 06:40 PM
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11-15-2009, 06:47 PM
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11-15-2009, 06:50 PM
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you are not answering my question. again, why is a vagina critical to marriage?
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11-15-2009, 06:50 PM
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| New Weird American Premium Gold Member  Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Perhaps you take exception to the specific language I used, but I think you can agree that assigning specific traditional gender roles to heterosexual men and women is an exercise in futility, even if you completely remove sexuality from the equation. Not even Sarah Palin can fit into those roles. | |
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11-15-2009, 07:02 PM
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If people can get married and not have children, why is a vagina so important for marriage? | |
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11-15-2009, 07:04 PM
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I am trying to (again). However, before we can continue the discussion I think it's wise we agreed on some of the basic terminology. If you won't define vagina - would you at lease concede there is a difference between a vagina and a penis? | |
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11-15-2009, 07:08 PM
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yes, of course there is a difference. a penis is the male sex organ, a vagina is a female sex organ. now, why is having one of each absolutely so critical to the definition of marriage? i'm trying to actually give you something here. both Sarah Palin and Hillary Cilnton are always going to have their vaginas, no matter how untraditional (or traditional) they may define their own gender roles.
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11-15-2009, 07:35 PM
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At this point, I am not saying either relationship/marriage is right or wrong - just different. Will you concede that? | ||
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11-15-2009, 07:40 PM
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Local Time: 09:21 PM | [QUOTE=AEON;6524391]You asked... Quote:
so what is it about these not right or wrong but different relationships that enables one to have a privileged status over the other? you notice that you're now moving away from sex to just gender -- again, what is it about a male/female relationship (no matter who the people are) that makes it better than a same-sexed relationship?
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11-15-2009, 08:16 PM
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Irvine, thank you for your patience. Unfortunately, I must ask for even more patience from you - so please bear with me as we walk through this. One of the problems in our past discussions is that we make some assumptions and points get missed, questions go unanswered (or misunderstood), and we go off on yet another tangent. I seriously believe I have something to learn from you - a beautiful, wonderful human being that is obviously very intelligent, thoughtful, and downright funny. If nothing else, we both love U2 so we have that to build on. Also, I am sometimes pulled away from the blue crack and can't answer as quickly (or as thoroughly) as some would prefer. Believe me, I know the feeling of posting a pertinent question and it isn't answered for hours - or sometimes never. It just happens. The thread moves on - topics change - and when that person returns they pick up from the last page. Please believe me when I say that I do try to answer each and every question. However, I am sometimes forced to pick and choose which questions I answer more in depth than others. More than anything, this is a time constraint issue. Also, it seems I am mostly going at it alone this time around...with the possible exception of Barack Obama video clips  Thank you for understanding. Since we cannot productively discuss my spiritual views on this particular matter (I'm not belittling that - you wish to keep this tangent on a social, legal, and biological level and I will try and respect that), I would like to ask you - which would you consider more important to the health and survival of any given human society, successful biological reproduction or personal sexual fulfillment? | |
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11-15-2009, 08:22 PM
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| She's the One Premium Gold Member  Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County and all over the goddam place
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Local Time: 06:21 PM | Wow. We have a winner. I don't even want to count the number of words you used to make it look like you were actually answering the question. And then you didn't answer the question. You haven't yet. You never will. You'll just type out a lot of civilized words and articulate-sounding thoughts, and poof! A pseudo-answer. But I think I know where you're going with this, and if you go there, I'll have another question for you not to answer. Quote:
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11-15-2009, 08:29 PM
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| New Yorker  Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Below the Mendoza Line
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Some of us have come around on civil unions or domestic partnerships because we agree that equal protection should apply to same-sex unions. Doesn't mean we want to call that union a marriage however. But who's stopping gays from entering into a monogamous, committed relationships? Aeon? No Indy? No The citizens of California, Maine and all the other states that voted in support of traditional marriage? No | |
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