Coldplay - Viva La Vida - ongoing discussion - Page 12

phanan · 06-26-2008, 05:15 PM

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Are you kidding me? Growing up in Ireland, first of all. Having parents from denominations that are in conflict. Having his mother die when he was young. Having a volatile relationship with his father. Having all these things force him to question his faith and belief system.

None of these things alone are particularly unique, but when combined with his own spirit he's a bit of a powder keg. Or did you not notice that in 1997 he was STILL working out these issues, and probably is to this day?

So because Bono went through that, he's God, and I'm just a middle-class loser who has nothing to offer society, along with other countless billions.

I'm glad we got that straight.

namkcuR · 06-26-2008, 05:16 PM

Chris Martin is among the blandest frontmen of any group that has had any major mainstream success over the last two decades. He has a boring personality, at least from afar, and he is vocally very bland. There is little to nothing interesting about his vocal style or ability. I honestly believe that if Coldplay had a frontman who had significantly more vocal talent and personality than Chris Martin, they'd be more respected here.

LemonMelon · 06-26-2008, 05:16 PM

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So because Bono went through that, he's God

Come ON. That's a Screwy-level exaggeration right there.

LemonMacPhisto · 06-26-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by namkcuR

Chris Martin is among the blandest frontmen of any group that has had any major mainstream success over the last two decades. He has a boring personality, at least from afar, and he is vocally very bland. There is little to nothing interesting about his vocal style or ability. I honestly believe that if Coldplay had a frontman who had significantly more vocal talent and personality than Chris Martin, they'd be more respected here.

The guy from Keane would be cool.

phanan · 06-26-2008, 05:17 PM

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Not really. I never went out of my way to claim that Vertigo was written solely to improve sales.

No, you wrote the opposite.

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00's U2 isn't gunning for hits.

You don't really know this, either. That's your opinion, and that's fine. I don't agree with your opinion on this, plain and simple.

elevated_u2_fan · 06-26-2008, 05:18 PM

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Furthermore, X&Y as a whole wasn't put together simply to earn the band cash, and I never claimed it was.

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All I hear on X&Y is the faint ka-ching of cash registers in the distance.

Screwtape2 · 06-26-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by phanan

So because Bono went through that, he's God, and I'm just a middle-class loser who has nothing to offer society, along with other countless billions.

I'm glad we got that straight.

Exactly. Seriously Laz. That is like saying Dido for example has less right to express herself than Fiona Apple or Tori Amos because he didn't have a rough life. She wasn't raped so her words don't matter. That is some twisted and scary logic but that is the logic you are following.

phanan · 06-26-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon

Come ON. That's a Screwy-level exaggeration right there.

Actually, I was gunning for a Laz comparison.

I fail.

lazarus · 06-26-2008, 05:19 PM

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So because Bono went through that, he's God, and I'm just a middle-class loser who has nothing to offer society, along with other countless billions.

I'm glad we got that straight.

No, but he takes his own personal experiences and combines them with his humanitarian beliefs, and winds up with a very powerful message. And combine that with his literary influences, which are legion.

Why do I even need to defend this? Do you know why you're on this forum?

Being middle-class doesn't make you a loser. Thom Yorke comes from the same background, but he isn't a ponce, and has a hell of a lot of creativity in what he's writing about. There's something very distinct and unique about his viewpoint. Where is the angle that Chris Martin is coming from? Being with a famous actress a few years into your career does not do wonders for the artistic mind.

namkcuR · 06-26-2008, 05:20 PM

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Exactly. Seriously Laz. That is like saying Dido for example has less right to express herself than Fiona Apple or Tori Amos because he didn't have a rough life. She wasn't raped so her words don't matter. That is some twisted and scary logic but that is the logic you are following.

Nobody ever said anything about anybody not having the right to express themselves however they want, and make whatever kind of music they want to make. All that was said was that certain people find Chris Martin to be less interesting because he's been through less. That is all.

elevated_u2_fan · 06-26-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMacPhisto

The guy from Keane would be cool.

Now THERE is a lame derivative band!

LemonMelon · 06-26-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elevated_u2_fan

No, you missed my point there. That's not a knock on the band's intentions; that's just me getting tired of all the hype. I don't think Coldplay wrote Fix You just to sell it, I think Fix You is a shit song that's inevitably going to sell well. See the difference?

lazarus · 06-26-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by namkcuR

Nobody ever said anything about anybody not having the right to express themselves however they want, and make whatever kind of music they want to make. All that was said was that certain people find Chris Martin to be less interesting because he's been through less. That is all.

Thank you. I didn't know this was some kind of new, incendiary position.

Zootlesque · 06-26-2008, 05:23 PM

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Now THERE is a lame derivative band!

Screwtape2 · 06-26-2008, 05:23 PM

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Where is the angle that Chris Martin is coming from? Being with a famous actress a few years into your career does not do wonders for the artistic mind.

So women especially amazing women don't have any kind of inspirational effect on artists?

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06-26-2008, 05:16 PM	#167
namkcuR Size matters not Premium Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Kettering, Ohio Posts: 7,681 Local Time: 01:25 AM	Chris Martin is among the blandest frontmen of any group that has had any major mainstream success over the last two decades. He has a boring personality, at least from afar, and he is vocally very bland. There is little to nothing interesting about his vocal style or ability. I honestly believe that if Coldplay had a frontman who had significantly more vocal talent and personality than Chris Martin, they'd be more respected here.