Coldplay - Viva La Vida - ongoing discussion - Page 13

elevated_u2_fan · 06-26-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon

No, you missed my point there. That's not a knock on the band's intentions; that's just me getting tired of all the hype. I don't think Coldplay wrote Fix You just to sell it, I think Fix You is a shit song that's inevitably going to sell well. See the difference?

not in the slightest

phanan · 06-26-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

No, but he takes his own personal experiences and combines them with his humanitarian beliefs, and winds up with a very powerful message. And combine that with his literary influences, which are legion.

Africa! Africa!

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Why do I even need to defend this?

Because it's hilarious.

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Do you know why you're on this forum?

No, please enlighten me with that elitist talk you do so well with. I am from New England, you know, so I know what you think about the east coast already.

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Being middle-class doesn't make you a loser. Thom Yorke comes from the same background, but he isn't a ponce, and has a hell of a lot of creativity in what he's writing about. There's something very distinct and unique about his viewpoint. Where is the angle that Chris Martin is coming from? Being with a famous actress a few years into your career does not do wonders for the artistic mind.

Thom Yorke is a saint.

LemonMacPhisto · 06-26-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

No, but he takes his own personal experiences and combines them with his humanitarian beliefs, and winds up with a very powerful message. And combine that with his literary influences, which are legion.

Why do I even need to defend this? Do you know why you're on this forum?

Being middle-class doesn't make you a loser. Thom Yorke comes from the same background, but he isn't a ponce, and has a hell of a lot of creativity in what he's writing about. There's something very distinct and unique about his viewpoint. Where is the angle that Chris Martin is coming from? Being with a famous actress a few years into your career does not do wonders for the artistic mind.

Right, I see what you're saying here, but the background doesn't always dictate the quality. I do think you're right about the Bono/Chris Martin comparison though.

It's like Bruce Willis and Cybil Shephard on Moonlighting. The show succeeded with the will they/won't they sexual tension, but then when they got together, it stopped being interesting and people stopped watching. That's not to say Bono and Chrissy don't have their plushy lifestyles, but you can make that argument that Bono's experiences and literary influences make for more powerful songwriting. You either have writing ability, or not, it can't be taught, and while I think Chrissy's lyrics on this album are an improvement, they will never truly be great or reach out to me on a personal level, which is what it's all about.

namkcuR · 06-26-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMacPhisto

The guy from Keane would be cool.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

Screwtape2 · 06-26-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by namkcuR

Nobody ever said anything about anybody not having the right to express themselves however they want, and make whatever kind of music they want to make. All that was said was that certain people find Chris Martin to be less interesting because he's been through less. That is all.

What?! That is exactly what Laz is saying. If Laz had his way Chris Martin wouldn't be able to express himself.

Zootlesque · 06-26-2008, 05:27 PM

Tom Chaplain from Keane may look bland and boring but in my mind, his singing voice has much more personality than Chris Martin's and I honestly prefer their 2 studio albums to several others this decade! Great pop songs!

LemonMacPhisto · 06-26-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elevated_u2_fan

Now THERE is a lame derivative band!

I'm not a big fan either, but I like the guy's voice a lot.

Coldplay's a more interesting band musically, but phail vocally and lyrically, while Keane's the opposite. Let's make a trade and see what happens.

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I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

I've actually been fairly serious for a good half hour, if that helps.

GirlsAloudFan · 06-26-2008, 05:27 PM

Keane sounds like...errrr...tastes like...a popsicle that's been shoved up someone's ass.

LemonMelon · 06-26-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elevated_u2_fan

not in the slightest

Oh well, I tried. But yeah, unlike Beav, I don't think Coldplay is a record label creation. Just a well-intentioned band who occasionally writes a terrible song that sells far better than it should (I don't care for In My Place either). The Coldplay formula works, but I don't think they're trying to exploit it.

Screwtape2 · 06-26-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

Thank you. I didn't know this was some kind of new, incendiary position.

It is a dangerous position Laz. You really shouldn't think that way. Everyone has an equal right to express themselves.

elevated_u2_fan · 06-26-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMacPhisto

Coldplay's a more interesting band musically, but phail vocally and lyrically, while Keane's the opposite. Let's make a trade and see what happens.

I smell a reality TV show...

lazarus · 06-26-2008, 05:28 PM

Fine, don't answer the question. Or do you like U2 despite Bono's writing over the years? I don't get what you're trying to prove.

And I didn't make disparaging comments about New England, just New York City. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I lived in Boston for 5 years?

As for the influence of women, Screwtape, I love Paltrow, but she's just as privileged and whitebread as Martin. What's that gonna do for him?

namkcuR · 06-26-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Screwtape2

What?! That is exactly what Laz is saying. If Laz had his way Chris Martin wouldn't be able to express himself.

I think you're just making stuff up now. Laz did not, nor did anyone else, at any point say or even imply anything about who has or doesn't have the right to do anything. It was about INTEREST, and not the RIGHT. Two completely different things.

lazarus · 06-26-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

Fine, don't answer the question. Or do you like U2 despite Bono's writing over the years? I don't get what you're trying to prove.

And I didn't make disparaging comments about New England, just New York City. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I lived in Boston for 5 years?

As for the influence of women, Screwtape, I love Paltrow, but she's just as privileged and whitebread as Martin. What's that gonna do for him?

The first two paragraphs were to Phanan. Man, I gotta remember to quote.

Zootlesque · 06-26-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMacPhisto

I'm not a big fan either, but I like the guy's voice a lot.

Coldplay's a more interesting band musically, but phail vocally and lyrically, while Keane's the opposite. Let's make a trade and see what happens.

I really want to agree with this but...

Coldplay = boring vocals + great music

Keane = great vocals + great music... just great all round!

IMO

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06-26-2008, 05:27 PM	#186
Zootlesque Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Uncool corner of Interference... overlooking Space Moon™ Posts: 35,548 Local Time: 12:38 AM Images: 65	Tom Chaplain from Keane may look bland and boring but in my mind, his singing voice has much more personality than Chris Martin's and I honestly prefer their 2 studio albums to several others this decade! Great pop songs!

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GirlsAloudFan Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 5,127 Local Time: 11:38 PM	Keane sounds like...errrr...tastes like...a popsicle that's been shoved up someone's ass.

06-26-2008, 05:28 PM	#192
lazarus Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 7,226 Local Time: 09:38 PM	Fine, don't answer the question. Or do you like U2 despite Bono's writing over the years? I don't get what you're trying to prove. And I didn't make disparaging comments about New England, just New York City. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I lived in Boston for 5 years? As for the influence of women, Screwtape, I love Paltrow, but she's just as privileged and whitebread as Martin. What's that gonna do for him?