Coldplay - Viva La Vida - ongoing discussion - Page 34

LemonMacPhisto · 06-28-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyfan26

Rob, you blatantly said that Life in Technicolor and Where the Streets Have No Name have the same chord progression:

You're literally saying: "You cannot argue that Life in Technicolor is not a rip-off of Streets/COBL because chord progressions and song structure cannot be argued." And now are saying you never said that, and that we are "misinterpreting" your post because you "phrased it incorrectly."

And you're trying to make me believe you, and it's not working. How am I supposed to take anything you say seriously after that? You're telling me one thing when another thing happened. You're trying to make me into a fool, and I'm not having it. And you cannot expect me to take anything you say seriously while you sit here, and yes, cover your own ass. You're trying to cover your blatantly incorrect statement as a misinterpretation to try to be taken seriously. That's covering your ass.

So, I really hope no one engages you any longer unless you stop trying to bullshit us. I find it insulting that you are trying to fool me like this, like I'm not smart enough to notice your mistakes.

The equivalent of what you are doing is if I were to start saying right now and from now on in this thread that I did not accuse you of trying to cover your own ass. I've said it multiple times, but now I'm going to say it never happened and you only believe that because of some poor phrasing. That's the stupidity of what you are trying to do right now.

You know I agree, but just let it go. It's not worth it.

Screwtape2 · 06-28-2008, 05:02 PM

Rob, you may hear another song in LIT but it isn't a ripoff. I said U2 stole the riff from Panic In Detriot but Gibsongirl kindly showed me that on paper they aren't the same. So I admitted I was wrong and that I choose a poor choice of words. Don't get offended or defensive about being wrong when someone factually proves something. You should be grateful that someone took the time to correct you. It is perfectly fine to think things sound alike but don't call a band a ripoff because of it.

You really should apologize to Gibsongirl and thank her for taking the time to show you the facts. It enlightened you and should give you a new perspective on the band. You don't have to like them but don't call them ripoffs.

GirlsAloudFan · 06-28-2008, 05:07 PM

Leave Rob33 alone!!!

phillyfan26 · 06-28-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Screwtape2

Rob, you may hear another song in LIT but it isn't a ripoff. I said U2 stole the riff from Panic In Detriot but Gibsongirl kindly showed me that on paper they aren't the same. So I admitted I was wrong and that I choose a poor choice of words. Don't get offended or defensive about being wrong when someone factually proves something. You should be grateful that someone took the time to correct you. It is perfectly fine to think things sound alike but don't call a band a ripoff because of it.

You really should apologize to Gibsongirl and thank her for taking the time to show you the facts. It enlightened you and should give you a new perspective on the band. You don't have to like them but don't call them ripoffs.

Well, ElMel and I corrected you about Panic in Detroit, but yeah, same point applies.

Screwtape2 · 06-28-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyfan26

Well, ElMel and I corrected you about Panic in Detroit, but yeah, same point applies.

The three of you did yes. Sorry for not giving you credit.

BoMac · 06-28-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GirlsAloudFan

Leave Rob33 alone!!!

Oh man, my sides hurt!!!

phillyfan26 · 06-28-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Screwtape2

The three of you did yes. Sorry for not giving you credit.

I'm just trying to make sure Rob doesn't git nitpicky about the points and misses the important picture, which is why I noted that it was LMel who played it out and commented on it and I who wrote the chords out for the two songs.

Screwtape2 · 06-28-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyfan26

I'm just trying to make sure Rob doesn't git nitpicky about the points and misses the important picture, which is why I noted that it was LMel who played it out and commented on it and I who wrote the chords out for the two songs.

Okay. I thought of GG because she seemed to correct everyone.

Rob33 · 06-28-2008, 06:57 PM

omfg where do I start....I don't believe my eyes....this is UNREAL....I come back from the beach, and this is what I get...fuck....ok, give me a second

bono_212 · 06-28-2008, 06:57 PM

Ok, I am most certainly not a huge Coldplay fan, but I decided to give this a listen because....well come on it's the only thing anyone is talking about on the forum right now. Gotta say, I almost stopped after Yes, because I was just not liking it, but I stuck it out, and I'm glad I did, the second half more then makes up for the first (aside from the opening track, man I really liked the opening track.) Not that I entirely hated the first half, Lost (!) was really good. So, I'll think about picking the album up, probably will, I really liked the second half a lot.

Rob33 · 06-28-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Screwtape2

You really should apologize to Gibsongirl and thank her for taking the time to show you the facts. It enlightened you and should give you a new perspective on the band. You don't have to like them but don't call them ripoffs.

Ok...I don't understand this...Screwtape...I apologized already, in my first post after GG brought back my original quote...you need to read more carefully or something, I don't know

U2Fanatic4ever · 06-28-2008, 07:06 PM

part deux...

Rob33 · 06-28-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMacPhisto

Rob, here's a place to go if you'd like to continue on your level of intelligent conversation:

PLEBA - U2 Feedback

didn't catch this until just now....Lem, what do you have against PLEBA? PLEBA is a nice place...And I do visit there from time to time...but thanks anyway

Screwtape2 · 06-28-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob33

Ok...I don't understand this...Screwtape...I apologized already, in my first post after GG brought back my original quote...you need to read more carefully or something, I don't know

If you did that's great.

Can you at least stop calling Coldplay ripoffs? I mean I love Kate Bush maybe more than anyone on the site and they were heavily influenced by her on a few songs: Speed of Sound and Talk. I think it is cool they influenced by other artists I like. Why can't you stop calling them ripoffs and appreciate they like some of your favorite artists. Clearly as Gibsongirl and many, many, many others have shown they aren't stealing other artist's work. So please end the madness and just stop saying Coldplay are ripoffs.

Rob33 · 06-28-2008, 07:39 PM

Pfan, how are you doing?

Look dude...I really want you to concentrate on what I'm about to say...carefully read, carefully examine, maybe use a magnifying glass...I really don't know dude...just do something...if you don't realize how off the mark you really are after reading this post, then you need some serious help, and you need to act NOW...just like Bono tells you to do...it's the same idea dude!!! No...I kid...but seriously, try to understand, and please, take me seriously

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Originally Posted by phillyfan26

And you cannot expect me to take anything you say seriously while you sit here, and yes, cover your own ass.

Again, please try to take me seriously...if you haven't taken me seriously, then that's probably the reason you are so off the mark...

OK....so you begin:

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Originally Posted by phillyfan26

Rob, you blatantly said that Life in Technicolor and Where the Streets Have No Name have the same chord progression:

and then you go on to quote me, let's take another look at that quote:

"how can you say that "Life In Technicolor" isn't a rip of Streets/COBL?!?! Chord progressions, song structure, etc. cannot be argued based on interpretation...it is what it is..." - Rob33

now, this is where the philly fan goes crazy:

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Originally Posted by phillyfan26

You're literally saying: "You cannot argue that Life in Technicolor is not a rip-off of Streets/COBL because chord progressions and song structure cannot be argued." And now are saying you never said that, and that we are "misinterpreting" your post because you "phrased it incorrectly."

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dammit philly fan!!! dammit dammit dammit.....

see this is what I've been saying the entire time....I sloppily constructed that post, and said ""how can you say that "Life In Technicolor" isn't a rip of Streets/COBL?!?!"

and then immediately followed that statement up with this:

"Chord progressions, song structure, etc. cannot be argued based on interpretation...it is what it is..."

Do you see? I first mention the Streets/Life... comparison, and then, moving on to a separate thought, mention that some things in music can't be argued based on interpretation, "it is what it is"....I didn't mean to connect the two statements like that in one paragraph...In other words, I didn't mean that the comparison between Streets/Life... "is what it is"...I just meant that some things in music are definitive, like chord progressions...separate from my feelings about Streets/Life In... - my second statement should have been completely separate, but by writing those sentences one after the other in that manner, it seemed like I was inferring that Streets/ Life.. "cannot be argued based on interpretation" ....

I'm trying to think of more crap to say to help you understand...but I honestly cannot right now...do you understand now?!?!? It's so simple what has happened here...yet I'm getting bombarded for silly reasons...I'm not trying to "cover my ass" or anything like that....or "insult" you as you suggested...If anything, you should apologize for randomly accusing me of things...

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Screwtape2 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Posts: 13,675 Local Time: 12:30 AM	Rob, you may hear another song in LIT but it isn't a ripoff. I said U2 stole the riff from Panic In Detriot but Gibsongirl kindly showed me that on paper they aren't the same. So I admitted I was wrong and that I choose a poor choice of words. Don't get offended or defensive about being wrong when someone factually proves something. You should be grateful that someone took the time to correct you. It is perfectly fine to think things sound alike but don't call a band a ripoff because of it. You really should apologize to Gibsongirl and thank her for taking the time to show you the facts. It enlightened you and should give you a new perspective on the band. You don't have to like them but don't call them ripoffs.

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GirlsAloudFan Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 5,127 Local Time: 12:30 AM	Leave Rob33 alone!!!

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Rob33 Refugee Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,225 Local Time: 10:30 PM	omfg where do I start....I don't believe my eyes....this is UNREAL....I come back from the beach, and this is what I get...fuck....ok, give me a second