Coldplay - Viva La Vida - ongoing discussion - Page 8

Screwtape2 · 06-26-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by UberBeaver

OHHHHH - I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about Coldplay.

I'm sorry if no one else hears it.

phanan · 06-26-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon

Condescending much?

About as much as others around here.

UberBeaver · 06-26-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Screwtape2

I'm sorry if no one else hears it.

I feel the same way about Jane's Addiction, man.

Zootlesque · 06-26-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by phanan

AROBTTH>VLV>Parachutes

At last somebody talking sense!

I didn't include X&Y in your quote as I haven't heard it fully yet.

Screwtape2 · 06-26-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon

Condescending much?

Viva sounds like any other Coldplay album except with a larger budget and slightly better lyrics. There's no concept. And there sure as hell isn't a concept on X&Y, which is just as singles-based as HTDAAB. Even Chris Martin himself realizes these things. I just can't fathom how Coldplay of all bands cares more about art than U2. Sounds like bias to me.

X&Y had threads that ran through it just as Viva does. It is unified. Don't give me that crap about U2 caring about art. They want hits, Grammys and money. They stopped caring about art after Pop. I'm sorry you don't see that.

phanan · 06-26-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zootlesque

At last somebody talking sense!

I didn't include X&Y in your quote as I haven't heard it fully yet.

Trust me, X&Y is at the end.

Screwtape2 · 06-26-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

Usual Laz.

LemonMacPhisto · 06-26-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Screwtape2

It does mean however that you are going for a statement and something artistic. It might not end up artistic but they are trying. At least they try when so many artists, U2 included, don't try for something more anymore.

That's where I think you're wrong.

Creating 12 songs that compliment each other well onto an album means something. It's music. If it takes you from Feeling A to Feeling B, in a good way, not X&Y making me want to headbutt the nearest child, then it succeeds. Music is creative expression, in any form. I like concept albums when they're done well and don't come off as airy and pretentious. Coldplay doesn't have a firm identity as a band other than the "band that sounds like everyone else." That's not saying I don't like their music or I feel that any band with obvious influences is terrible, but they can't reconcile those influences with an original enough sound to make them their own, you know? Having a "concept" doesn't negate the fact that they're still grasping for their own footing in the realm of rock music - as pompous as that may sound.

You can make the argument that "U2 doesn't care anymore," but I will wholly disagree. All That You Can't Leave Behind is a great album, with songs unique to them at that period of time that still hold up today. Bomb, however, is an overproduced collection of singles with no staying power, and it's one of the band's biggest missteps, in my opinion.

Again, this is all subjective.

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Originally Posted by Screwtape2

X&Y had threads that ran through it just as Viva does. It is unified. Don't give me that crap about U2 caring about art. They want hits, Grammys and money. They stopped caring about art after Pop. I'm sorry you don't see that.

U2: The Business wants that, but I still don't think that U2: The Band wants that. When you've had the cultural staying power and consistent musical output as long as they have and hit a snag every once and a while, give me a call. Plus, the fucking Grammys award older rock acts for everything, and who the hell even gauges that for musical quality? It's an honor to receive any type of award, but I don't think they're gunning for that. They're at the point in their career when everyone's awarding them achievements for their accomplishments, and don't you think they deserve some of that? I don't think either you or I are in a position to know for sure, but this explanation isn't as half-assed as yours.

lazarus · 06-26-2008, 04:36 PM

They wanted accessibility; Grammys, hits, and money are the benefits of that.

But I agree with you to a certain extent; you're forgetting The Million Dollar Hotel soundtrack though, and I think your position will be invalid in about 5 months.

Unless you think U2's next album won't top VLV.

LemonMelon · 06-26-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Screwtape2

X&Y had threads that ran through it just as Viva does. It is unified.

Like what? Cutting down trees, writing hundred-mile-long songs, and igniting bones?

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Don't give me that crap about U2 caring about art. They want hits, Grammys and money. They stopped caring about art after Pop. I'm sorry you don't see that.

You do understand that this statement is just as mindlessly insulting as Laz calling CMart a pussy, don't you?

elevated_u2_fan · 06-26-2008, 04:37 PM

look at YLB getting all technical and shit

lazarus · 06-26-2008, 04:37 PM

^^^ That was a response to Screwtape. This thread is moving way too fast.

LemonMacPhisto · 06-26-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elevated_u2_fan

look at YLB getting all technical and shit

I hate when that happens.

phanan · 06-26-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

They wanted accessibility; Grammys, hits, and money are the benefits of that.

But I agree with you to a certain extent; you're forgetting The Million Dollar Hotel soundtrack though, and I think your position will be invalid in about 5 months.

Unless you think U2's next album won't top VLV.

If it's like HTDAAB, it won't.

But I agree that I think U2 will pull off something special this time around.

LemonMelon · 06-26-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMacPhisto

You can make the argument that "U2 doesn't care anymore," but I will wholly disagree. All That You Can't Leave Behind is a great album, with songs unique to them at that period of time that still hold up today. Bomb, however, is an overproduced collection of singles with no staying power, and it's one of the band's biggest missteps, in my opinion.

Switch the two around and I agree.

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06-26-2008, 04:36 PM	#114
lazarus Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 7,226 Local Time: 09:59 PM	They wanted accessibility; Grammys, hits, and money are the benefits of that. But I agree with you to a certain extent; you're forgetting The Million Dollar Hotel soundtrack though, and I think your position will be invalid in about 5 months. Unless you think U2's next album won't top VLV.

06-26-2008, 04:37 PM	#117
lazarus Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 7,226 Local Time: 09:59 PM	^^^ That was a response to Screwtape. This thread is moving way too fast.