MLB '08, Part Dos - Page 33

Hewson · 07-27-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CTU2fan

At least Hansen hit ARod, so there's that anyway.

Yeah, but since it was Hansen, there's a 99.9999999999999999% chance it was unintentional and he was trying to waste a pitch 3 feet outside.
So, yeah.

CTU2fan · 07-27-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hewson

Yeah, but since it was Hansen, there's a 99.9999999999999999% chance it was unintentional and he was trying to waste a pitch 3 feet outside.
So, yeah.

Most likely, but on this staff you take what you can get. Pedro's not walking through that door. Hell, Bronson Arroyo isn't either...their only hope was Hansen getting wild or Youk letting the bat "oops" slip out of his hand a la Trot Nixon.

No spoken words · 07-27-2008, 02:02 PM

I was watching and did not think it was intentional.

No spoken words · 07-27-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CTU2fan

OK this Manny business is finally starting to piss me off. It never really bugged me before, but now...and the worst part is I don't even know who to be pissed at. You've got Manny being Manny on the one hand, and the front office spin machine/smear campaign gearing up on the other. Then smack in the mddle of it all you've got smirking Robby Cano who I can't stand just kicking Boston's ass all day long. This sucks.

At least Hansen hit ARod, so there's that anyway.

Man, I'd be torn, too. The guy is such an amazing hitter, but watching him never run hard to 1B, having all this injury drama, etc....Having Theo make it clear to Buck/McCarver that they should announce that they'd be willing to deal Manny, etc.....too much of a soap opera this late in the season.

Sox fans.....Varitek looks completely done at the plate.....he's still a great clubhouse presence I assume, and still decent behind the plate.....do you want him back, or, do you think it's time to thank him for a great run with the Sox and move on next season? Not a lot of great catching options out there, of course, and I've no clue if there's someone in Pawtucket waiting in the wings.....

CTU2fan · 07-27-2008, 03:28 PM

I don't think it was intentional either. I also don't think Joba's was because at the time it would have been galactically stupid...but the fact that it was Youk again has to make you wonder.

I really like Manny Ramirez. Maybe I've just grown numb to it over the years, but most of the MBM stuff, the goofball stuff at least, just doesn't really bug me. I always kind of figured most of it was just his personality, and that if he was wound up tight like a Nomar or Trot he wouldn't be able to be the hitter he is from AB to AB. But this time around it seems to have a bit more edge to it. Plus it really stinks that every time a star leaves Boston it ends up ugly. I'm actually still surprised that the Sox/Pedro parting went as well as it did compared to others...and I'd hoped it wouldn't have to end that way with Manny.

NSW the Tek thing is really tough. I'd love to have him back next year as part of a tandem where he's only catching 50% or so of the games while they work in a successsor. Problem is, you've got Wakefield there, and after the Bard disaster everyone is leery of having a young catcher work with Wake. I think they bring him back as long as he wants to stay (and take a decent sized paycut), but it's going to be a problem if they can't find a guy who's good enough to do more than catch Wake only. I actually like Cash as a catcher better than Doug Mirabelli, but he's not an everyday catcher IMO, and I don't think either of the PawSox C's are MLB catchers either.

Headache in a Suitcase · 07-27-2008, 04:34 PM

did espn put the third game in the over-hyped battle for second place on as the 8:00 sunday nighter tonight? nothing i love more than watching the world wide leader jizz themselves over an 8 hour 9 inning game that nobody other than yankee and red sox fans have given a crap about since october of 2004.

speedracer · 07-27-2008, 05:06 PM

Given that this sort of crap with getting rid of Manny surfaced back in 2003, 2005 and 2006, I'll believe that the Red Sox plan to trade him when I see it.

DaveC · 07-27-2008, 06:17 PM

The700Level.com - Philly Sports & Minutiae: NY Post: Phils Could Land Manny

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NY Post: Phils Could Land Manny

Up here in wicked lawbsta land, all the sports talk is focusing on Manny Ramirez's falling out with Boston management and fans. Inevitably, this has caused rampant speculation that Manny's days in Beantown are numbered, whether it be via a trade this week or a non-tendering in the off-season.

The New York Post lists the Phillies as the most likely potential landing place for Manny, citing his strong ties to Charlie Manuel, who was his hitting coach and later his manager with the Indians. With Manny increasingly unhappy with Boston's front office and the Phils needing another bat, the concept isn't that off the wall. But it isn't very likely either.

The Post's story relies on "sources" and "beliefs", such as that Manny, a 10 and 5 player, would not accept a trade to anywhere but Philly. This particular player is rarely at a loss for words, so if that's true, we'd like to hear it from his mouth.

Although it's the Sox who appear to be looking to end the relationship, rather than a score of teams inquiring about Manny, his price will still be high, and he's almost certain to want to test the market next year.

So, just to have some fun with a story that is purely speculation at this point, with no sources quoted on either team... would you want Manny in South Philly, and if so, what would you give in return? He's been involved in fracases with both Kevin Youkilis and the Sox traveling secretary this season, and he's been all but accused of taking strikes to get back at the front office, but he's hitting .298 with 19 homers and 63 RBI.

Just throwing this potential lineup out there...

JRoll
Chase
Manny
Howard
Burrell
Vic (if he survives the trade)
Feliz
Coste/Ruiz
P

speedracer · 07-27-2008, 07:34 PM

Shane Victorino for Manny, huh? Lord knows the Red Sox don't have nearly enough fleet, light-hitting center fielders. How many additional bags of balls were the Phillies planning on throwing in?

Jayson Werth + prospies for Manny isn't much better either.

DaveC · 07-27-2008, 07:51 PM

Well the Phils would definitely have to sell the farm completely (Corrasco and Happ are pretty good pitching prospects, and they'd definitely be gone) as well as get rid of most likely Victorino (or Jenkins/Werth), so I'm not sure I like the trade. What they really need is another veteran reliever to calm the bullpen down (they're good, but they have their stretches where they play like everyone thought they would before the season), and another starter to fill the gaping black hole that is Brett Myers. The offense is really not the issue, certainly not enough to kill off what pitching future the team has to go for Manny Ramirez.

Also, Manny wouldn't last two weeks in Philly. New Englanders can tolerate that "Manny being Manny" bullshit, but in South Philadelphia there's no way that would ever fly.

Hewson · 07-27-2008, 08:05 PM

If I'm not mistaken, don't Manny's 2 option years autonatically kick in if he's traded per his contract?
I believe I remember hearing that last year...so if thats the case, a team wouyld not be renting him for just this season, but would have him for the next 2 as well...but at a cost of $20 mil per...I'll have to look around to see if that is the correct info.

phanan · 07-28-2008, 08:06 AM

I don't recall, and am too lazy to look it up.

He's not going anywhere, anyway.

CTU2fan · 07-28-2008, 09:52 AM

It's probably academic, 1 because I highly doubt he gets moved, and 2 because I'm sure he'd want a guarantee that the options aren't picked up to agree to a deal.

So, did the Sox offense get back on track or was it just Ponson? Ellsbury's 3 hits are encouraging anyway.

Headache that game was actually <3 hours, shocking I know...unless you count the rain delay but that's just cheating.

No spoken words · 07-28-2008, 11:53 AM

Hewson, Phanan, I am curious about your answers to my Varitke question......

phillyfan26 · 07-28-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveC

Well the Phils would definitely have to sell the farm completely (Corrasco and Happ are pretty good pitching prospects, and they'd definitely be gone) as well as get rid of most likely Victorino (or Jenkins/Werth), so I'm not sure I like the trade. What they really need is another veteran reliever to calm the bullpen down (they're good, but they have their stretches where they play like everyone thought they would before the season), and another starter to fill the gaping black hole that is Brett Myers. The offense is really not the issue, certainly not enough to kill off what pitching future the team has to go for Manny Ramirez.

Also, Manny wouldn't last two weeks in Philly. New Englanders can tolerate that "Manny being Manny" bullshit, but in South Philadelphia there's no way that would ever fly.

I don't like that trade. Ultimately, the Phillies have too many hitters that just are under-producing right now. If they continue to do that, it doesn't matter what hitters they acquire.

However, the Phils NEED pitching. This cannot be stressed enough.

Myers needs to move to the 'pen for one last hurrah, and Happ needs to get more starts. He's done fine, certainly a better chance of success than Myers.

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07-27-2008, 03:28 PM	#485
CTU2fan Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,050 Local Time: 04:31 AM	I don't think it was intentional either. I also don't think Joba's was because at the time it would have been galactically stupid...but the fact that it was Youk again has to make you wonder. I really like Manny Ramirez. Maybe I've just grown numb to it over the years, but most of the MBM stuff, the goofball stuff at least, just doesn't really bug me. I always kind of figured most of it was just his personality, and that if he was wound up tight like a Nomar or Trot he wouldn't be able to be the hitter he is from AB to AB. But this time around it seems to have a bit more edge to it. Plus it really stinks that every time a star leaves Boston it ends up ugly. I'm actually still surprised that the Sox/Pedro parting went as well as it did compared to others...and I'd hoped it wouldn't have to end that way with Manny. NSW the Tek thing is really tough. I'd love to have him back next year as part of a tandem where he's only catching 50% or so of the games while they work in a successsor. Problem is, you've got Wakefield there, and after the Bard disaster everyone is leery of having a young catcher work with Wake. I think they bring him back as long as he wants to stay (and take a decent sized paycut), but it's going to be a problem if they can't find a guy who's good enough to do more than catch Wake only. I actually like Cash as a catcher better than Doug Mirabelli, but he's not an everyday catcher IMO, and I don't think either of the PawSox C's are MLB catchers either.

07-27-2008, 05:06 PM	#487
speedracer Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Premium Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: eire Posts: 4,774 Local Time: 09:31 AM	Given that this sort of crap with getting rid of Manny surfaced back in 2003, 2005 and 2006, I'll believe that the Red Sox plan to trade him when I see it.

07-27-2008, 07:34 PM	#489
speedracer Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Premium Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: eire Posts: 4,774 Local Time: 09:31 AM	Shane Victorino for Manny, huh? Lord knows the Red Sox don't have nearly enough fleet, light-hitting center fielders. How many additional bags of balls were the Phillies planning on throwing in? Jayson Werth + prospies for Manny isn't much better either.

07-27-2008, 07:51 PM	#490
DaveC ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: playoffs baby Posts: 12,391 Local Time: 05:31 AM Images: 188	Well the Phils would definitely have to sell the farm completely (Corrasco and Happ are pretty good pitching prospects, and they'd definitely be gone) as well as get rid of most likely Victorino (or Jenkins/Werth), so I'm not sure I like the trade. What they really need is another veteran reliever to calm the bullpen down (they're good, but they have their stretches where they play like everyone thought they would before the season), and another starter to fill the gaping black hole that is Brett Myers. The offense is really not the issue, certainly not enough to kill off what pitching future the team has to go for Manny Ramirez. Also, Manny wouldn't last two weeks in Philly. New Englanders can tolerate that "Manny being Manny" bullshit, but in South Philadelphia there's no way that would ever fly.

07-27-2008, 08:05 PM	#491
Hewson Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Your own private Idaho Posts: 9,800 Local Time: 04:31 AM	If I'm not mistaken, don't Manny's 2 option years autonatically kick in if he's traded per his contract? I believe I remember hearing that last year...so if thats the case, a team wouyld not be renting him for just this season, but would have him for the next 2 as well...but at a cost of $20 mil per...I'll have to look around to see if that is the correct info.

07-28-2008, 09:52 AM	#493
CTU2fan Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,050 Local Time: 04:31 AM	It's probably academic, 1 because I highly doubt he gets moved, and 2 because I'm sure he'd want a guarantee that the options aren't picked up to agree to a deal. So, did the Sox offense get back on track or was it just Ponson? Ellsbury's 3 hits are encouraging anyway. Headache that game was actually <3 hours, shocking I know...unless you count the rain delay but that's just cheating.