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No spoken words · 09-13-2009, 10:36 AM

Requesting a trade is not uncommon in the sports world, not sure why it would be such a big deal now. Who knows all the reasons for his being disgruntled. Sure, the more the media gets a hold of it, the worse it seems, but pro athletes have been demanding trades for a century now.

I wish I had exciting Islander hockey to look forward to this season. I'm not all that excited, though, go figure.

BoMac · 09-13-2009, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladywithspinninghead

Heatley officially off to San Jose:
TheStar.com | Hockey | Senators ship Dany Heatley to the Sharks

Can someone please tell me what he did that was so wrong? He requested a trade - so what? Did he mention it to the media before requesting it from the team? Did he sleep with Alfie's wife?

Here's what he did wrong - in my opinion. First, he had signed a lucrative long-term deal the year prior, only to request a trade over what I deem to be petty reasoning (he wasn't being utilized the way he felt he should be, i.e. playing more responsible defense).

Next, not only did he request a trade, but he did so publicly, thereby handcuffing the Senators who would no longer be able to get full-value for him in return.

Finally, he used a no-trade clause to nix a deal with the Oilers, saying he wanted more "options". I'm sorry but if you request a trade, you should not be able to use the not-trade clause to gain "options". The no-trade clause is not there for that reason, and should have been nullified once he requested a trade.

And one other thing. On July 1 he accepted a $4 million signing bonus from the Senators. Obviously he had no problems accepting that from the team.

No spoken words · 09-13-2009, 10:50 AM

Yeah, well, hard to disagree with the above. Thanks for expanding, BoMac, cos simply asking for a trade is not enough to vilify a player. The above? That's enough to vilify someone!

ladywithspinninghead · 09-13-2009, 11:20 AM

Wow, yeah, I concur with NSW - what an arrogant jerk.
Too bad San Jose isn't scheduled to play in Ottawa until next season.

Thanks Bomac

65980 · 09-16-2009, 09:48 AM

It's a horrible situation that there is a hierarchy wherein star players are bigger than the league. This is absurd. Star players are of course the main draw of the league, and the old-boy days of the NHL screwing the players was even worse than the situation today, but the pendulum has clearly swung too far the other way for the elite players.

I may just be bitter than yet another player (Heatley) refused to play for Edmonton (my team). Life sure is tough if you have to spend 4 months a year in a northerly city, being worshipped by everyone on the street, and making 4 or 5 million bucks to chase a puck. To correct this situation, let's let the players decide where they can play!!!

That's why it was great that Hossa failed to win the cup... well, at least he was a free agent.

MrPryck2U · 09-16-2009, 01:12 PM

Honestly, if you're an NHL player, its not a "horrible situation" as you would call it. Plenty of players in MLB have no-trade clauses in their deals, so its not really uncommon for a player to veto a trade to a team he didn't want to play for. Pro players have been eating shit from owners for years. Its about time the players wielded some power. Because guess what? Without the players, there is no league. If you're an elite player who racks up the stats, puts W's on the board and asses in the seats, then you've earned the right to play where ever you want to play.

But...

The way that Heatley handled himself clearly was a douche move. It sounds like he either didn't want to play in Canada or a small market team for that matter. Not sure how big San Jose is, but its got to be bigger than Ottawa or even Edmonton for that matter.

My hunch says that because he was a douche, bad karma is gonna bitchslap him somewhere down the road.

65980 · 09-16-2009, 01:39 PM

Well, if you read my post again, you'll see I didn't really disagree with anything you said. No, it's certainly not a horrible situation for the players, but then most of us aren't NHL players. And those of us who aren't pay the salaries of those who are.

And I agree that the players need to wield some power. The players were obviously abused up until the mid-1980s. I don't think, however, that a pro-sports league can properly function if some (not even all) players are bigger than the league itself. In the same way, a society cannot properly function if some people are bigger than the law.

But yeah, Heatley's bitchslap is coming...

UberBeaver · 09-16-2009, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 65980

, a society cannot properly function if some people are bigger than the law....

What if those "some people" are white males? Then the society is cool, right? Nice.

Heatley will fit on San Jose nicely. And like the rest of the team, he will choke in the playoffs -he doesn't strike me as the type of guy that can rise to the occasion. Then he'll want to go to either Detroit or Pittsburgh or whoever actually wins the cup next year.

liz9640 · 09-17-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UberBeaver

Heatley will fit on San Jose nicely. And like the rest of the team, he will choke in the playoffs -he doesn't strike me as the type of guy that can rise to the occasion. Then he'll want to go to either Detroit or Pittsburgh or whoever actually wins the cup next year.

I"m still waiting for San Jose to stop being a "favorite" they have a talented team but can't hack it come playoff time.

UberBeaver · 09-18-2009, 08:28 AM

Phaneuf = Douche Bag.

elevated_u2_fan · 09-18-2009, 08:50 AM

how so?

UberBeaver · 09-18-2009, 09:12 AM

Left his feet, shoulder to the head, gave Okposo a concussion in a pre-season game. Then wouldn't fight anyone. Douche bag.

elevated_u2_fan · 09-18-2009, 09:23 AM

that does sound like a douchey maneuver... how many game suspension do you think?

UberBeaver · 09-18-2009, 09:59 AM

0. Phaneuf is famous. They'll probably suspend the Islander that jumped off the bench that went after him though, cause even I don't know his name.

elevated_u2_fan · 09-18-2009, 10:00 AM

you think? I'm thinking at least a game...

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09-13-2009, 10:36 AM	#76
No spoken words Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Clavius Base Posts: 32,457 Local Time: 07:07 PM	Requesting a trade is not uncommon in the sports world, not sure why it would be such a big deal now. Who knows all the reasons for his being disgruntled. Sure, the more the media gets a hold of it, the worse it seems, but pro athletes have been demanding trades for a century now. I wish I had exciting Islander hockey to look forward to this season. I'm not all that excited, though, go figure.

09-13-2009, 10:50 AM	#78
No spoken words Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Clavius Base Posts: 32,457 Local Time: 07:07 PM	Yeah, well, hard to disagree with the above. Thanks for expanding, BoMac, cos simply asking for a trade is not enough to vilify a player. The above? That's enough to vilify someone!

09-13-2009, 11:20 AM	#79
ladywithspinninghead Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,145 Local Time: 08:07 PM	Wow, yeah, I concur with NSW - what an arrogant jerk. Too bad San Jose isn't scheduled to play in Ottawa until next season. Thanks Bomac

09-16-2009, 09:48 AM	#80
65980 War Child Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Taiwan Posts: 753 Local Time: 08:07 AM	It's a horrible situation that there is a hierarchy wherein star players are bigger than the league. This is absurd. Star players are of course the main draw of the league, and the old-boy days of the NHL screwing the players was even worse than the situation today, but the pendulum has clearly swung too far the other way for the elite players. I may just be bitter than yet another player (Heatley) refused to play for Edmonton (my team). Life sure is tough if you have to spend 4 months a year in a northerly city, being worshipped by everyone on the street, and making 4 or 5 million bucks to chase a puck. To correct this situation, let's let the players decide where they can play!!! That's why it was great that Hossa failed to win the cup... well, at least he was a free agent.

09-16-2009, 01:12 PM	#81
MrPryck2U Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Long Island, NY, U.S.A., Earth Posts: 3,962 Local Time: 08:07 PM	Honestly, if you're an NHL player, its not a "horrible situation" as you would call it. Plenty of players in MLB have no-trade clauses in their deals, so its not really uncommon for a player to veto a trade to a team he didn't want to play for. Pro players have been eating shit from owners for years. Its about time the players wielded some power. Because guess what? Without the players, there is no league. If you're an elite player who racks up the stats, puts W's on the board and asses in the seats, then you've earned the right to play where ever you want to play. But... The way that Heatley handled himself clearly was a douche move. It sounds like he either didn't want to play in Canada or a small market team for that matter. Not sure how big San Jose is, but its got to be bigger than Ottawa or even Edmonton for that matter. My hunch says that because he was a douche, bad karma is gonna bitchslap him somewhere down the road.

09-16-2009, 01:39 PM	#82
65980 War Child Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Taiwan Posts: 753 Local Time: 08:07 AM	Well, if you read my post again, you'll see I didn't really disagree with anything you said. No, it's certainly not a horrible situation for the players, but then most of us aren't NHL players. And those of us who aren't pay the salaries of those who are. And I agree that the players need to wield some power. The players were obviously abused up until the mid-1980s. I don't think, however, that a pro-sports league can properly function if some (not even all) players are bigger than the league itself. In the same way, a society cannot properly function if some people are bigger than the law. But yeah, Heatley's bitchslap is coming...

09-18-2009, 08:28 AM	#85
UberBeaver Breakdancing Soul Pilgrim Premium Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: the most serious...douch hammer ever Posts: 19,579 Local Time: 08:07 PM	Phaneuf = Douche Bag.

09-18-2009, 09:12 AM	#87
UberBeaver Breakdancing Soul Pilgrim Premium Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: the most serious...douch hammer ever Posts: 19,579 Local Time: 08:07 PM	Left his feet, shoulder to the head, gave Okposo a concussion in a pre-season game. Then wouldn't fight anyone. Douche bag.

09-18-2009, 09:59 AM	#89
UberBeaver Breakdancing Soul Pilgrim Premium Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: the most serious...douch hammer ever Posts: 19,579 Local Time: 08:07 PM	0. Phaneuf is famous. They'll probably suspend the Islander that jumped off the bench that went after him though, cause even I don't know his name.