Screwtape2

I don't think I realized just how bad the Browns offense was until tonight...

BEAL

Yeah, they were really bad. refuse to even look downfield.

which was great as i had the ravens defense

AnnRKeyintheUSA

How sadly ironic, the Cleveland fans have to watch the new Browns lose to the real, original Browns playing for another city

Mrs. Garrison

Browns play the Lions next monday night. I guess fans of both teams can wear paper bags over their heads.

About that bellychick call, when i saw that all i could think of was, that was very Andy Reid of him to make that call. Why even bother having a Defense if you are going to take a chance like that?

Lots of crazy shit this weekend. The Cowboys...need i say more. Gotta love that Roy Williams fumble, and those drops. Probably not a game changer really because the entire Cowboy offense sucked badly. Losing Columbo was a tough blow too. But then again nobody else on the team is complaining about not getting enough balls thrown their way like Roy Williams. At least when T.O. did that he backed up his talk with good play. Roy Williams, until he proves himself otherwise, just plain sucks.

Vince Young has done pretty well the last three games. Not sure if he is completely over whatever was going on in his head last year. But you have to wonder if he started the season would Tenessee have a winning record? Maybe then the Titans owner wouldn't be flipping the bird to everyone.

Occasionally Adrian Peterson will fumble the ball just to remind people that he is human. He did that a few times at Oklahoma to remind us as well. He's still incredible. No matter how bad people here hate Favre, and no matter how bad the Cowboys were the other day or how bad the Packers beat us. I would still take Favre over Aaron Rogers until proven otherwise. Sorry Mikal. Im not ready to write anybody off just yet, but for anybody to put the Packers in the Superbowl at this point, or any other team for that matter, well thats laughable. The season is long and theres a lot of football left to play, every team has good days and every team has bad days. I'm not even a believer in New Orleans just yet. I think someone will knock them out in the playoffs, i have no idea of who or how or why, i just have that feeling. I guess whoever gets hot in late December or early January will make that run...or not.

mikal

i am proud to say that the Cowboys lost because they ran into a Packers team that finally showed up. this is how Green Bay should have been playing all season.

Mrs. Garrison

that may be true about GB, but honestly the Cowboys never really got anything going because they didnt show up. They were high last week against the Iggles, this week they were playing a supposedly "down" team and it came back to bite them in the ass. You can't play like that in the NFL especially on the road and expect to win. Unless you are playing St Louis or Cleveland, which is basically a bye week, you'd better have your act together.

But i will give GB credit where it is due, they played better Defense than i though they possibly could and they did what they had to do to win the game.

AnnRKeyintheUSA

On the Belichick play, I think he was an ass to make that call, it was not only an insult to his own defense but the Colts' defense. I do think he was arrogant and sure he'd make it. For all that he deserved not to make it. Going for it on fourth down in your own territory is for people who are behind, not ahead. Oh and am I the only one who thinks Addai laid down at the goal line on purpose to run more time off the clock?

Romo, wow, what a klunker

Got Philk?

But, I do wonder if our good buddy Bill would have gone for it in a playoff game...

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speedracer

Because punting is actually the crazy gamble? (It's not actually crazy, but it's a few percent worse than going for it -- you really, really have to cook the books in order to make the probabilities come out in favor of punting.)

Punting on fourth down would be a huge insult to the brilliant offenses and the two top-5-of-all-time QBs who happened to be playing in the game. If Belichick had punted, he would have deserved to lose because of his arrogance.

...do you see how ridiculous this argument is?

Why would it make a difference? His goal is to maximize his chances of winning the game. The manner in which he wins or loses changes nothing down the road.

Finally (to everyone), if you are a Colts fan, are you happy to see Tom Brady on the field on fourth down there? If the roles were reversed, I can honestly say that I would not be happy to see Peyton Manning going for it.

Got Philk?

You missed my point. My question was not about Sunday night's game. I was thinking about the difference between regular season and playoffs.

Because the Pats pretty much are a lock to make it to the playoffs right now, I wonder if he could gamble a little more. When it comes to playoff time, perhaps he wouldn't gamble as he did since it's one and done?

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speedracer

Does the manner in which you lose matter in the playoffs? If it's the AFC championship game and Belichick punts and loses, would it turn into a best-of-3 series? Or is it one-and-out whether he punts or goes for it on fourth down?

Got Philk?

Good Lord man. All I am saying is that a coach may be more conservative during the playoffs and make anyone...even Manning...go 60 yards for the TD rather than 30.

I don't even disagree with his play call. In fact, if Faulk makes the catch without the slight bobble, he may have had the 1st down. My thinking is it was a regular season game. There are more of those to come. But come playoffs, you should probably play the numbers...and 60-70 yards is longer than 30. That's all.

My point has been made.

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speedracer

I don't know what you mean by "conservative", but if you mean "going with the crowd" or "deferring the moment of truth for as long as possible", Belichick certainly does not do either of these things, regular season or playoffs. "Conservative" certainly does not equate to "optimal".

If you mean that Belichick is going to be more inclined to experiment or otherwise deviate from optimal strategy during the Colts game, that is extremely unlikely. Winning the game helps the Patriots get a home playoff game, and Belichick knows that running one unorthdox play is not going to give him any useful information.

The only way that sentence makes any sense is if you assume that the failure of the fourth down is a fait accompli.

AnnRKeyintheUSA

No, because the two situations are not equal. Punting is a normal thing to do that happens 99.9% of the time and this was way out of line under the circumstances.

Got Philk?

Sure...I guess going 70 yards is the same as going 30. Certainly there isn't a 40 yard difference...


Forget it...I can see that we will never have a conversation that gets anywhere. Good luck with that.

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