U2 360 Boxscore Discussion - Page 10

Maoilbheannacht · 08-19-2009, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icecreamkiller

But venue officials regularly report to the media attendance numbers bigger than what's reported by Billboard - meaning the tickets that Billboard reports as having been sold were not the only tickets available, since they were not the only tickets sold.

Actually they don't, and if they do its not accurate. The Billboard Boxscore numbers are used to determine which tour had the highest gross for the year in terms of tickets sold, so NOTHING is being left out.

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What goes in the boxscore charts is only the number of tickets the promoter expected to sell, and how many out of those they did sell. If more tickets than that are sold, it doesn't go into the report.

I've not seen anything that would support that idea at all. Whats reported by Billboard Boxscore are the FINAL figures for the show and are used to determine the top grossing tours at the end of the year.

Its not the number of tickets the promoter expects to sell since that is constantly changing for many artist.

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but take, for example, Madonna's performance in Udine, Italy last month. Per Billboard's numbers, 28,000 tickets were sold. However, those who were at the 42,000-capacity stadium claimed the stadium looked completely full - and Italian newspapers widely reported an attendance of 40,000 people as reported by venue officials, with one newspaper saying a few hours before showtime that about 2,000 out of the 42,000 tickets available had not been sold.

Sorry, but Madonna only sold 28,000 tickets to the show. Promoters have ways of spacing out the sell of tickets to make a show that is only 65% full, look like it is 100% full. Newspapers are historically inaccurate when it comes to actual attendance figures.

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So the numbers as published by Billboard don't actually reflect the number of tickets up for sale by the time the show began or ended, just how many were expected to sell - it's not at all uncommon for tickets to a show to be available at the venue box office after the show has started, only for that show to be reported as a sold-out event later.

Thats true about tickets still being available at the boxoffice after the show starts, but any tickets that are sold are counted in Billboards attendance and gross figures.

Maoilbheannacht · 08-19-2009, 03:17 PM

August 6, 2009
Chorzow, Poland
Śląski Stadium
GROSS: $6,414,960
ATTENDANCE: 75,180
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $85.33

August 9-10, 2009
Zagreb, Croatia
Maksimir Stadium
GROSS: $12,700,784
ATTENDANCE: 124,012
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $102.42

August 14-15, 2009
London, United Kingdom
Wembley Stadium
GROSS: $20,680,860
ATTENDANCE: 164,244
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $125.92

Maoilbheannacht · 08-19-2009, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramblin rose

Sorry, but in most countries the higher end tickets were 165 Euro, which translates to about $250 (maybe a little less). In all of the other boxscores the higher end price was at that level. I guess that means that Chorzow and Zagreb were stuck with the highest prices of the entire tour.

Croatia and Poland don't use the Euro. I know that Croatia did have the highest ticket price of any show this year, but that was only for the most expensive tickets.

**ramblin rose** · 08-19-2009, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathiu

...sad, but true. we don't have Euro yet, and back in March/April, when tickets went on sale, the value of our money was much lower than it is now,
(1 PLN = 4,1 EUR now; 1 PLN = 4,6/4,7 EUR back then) so we had to pay more.

Wow, those prices are unreal.

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Originally Posted by Maoilbheannacht

Croatia and Poland don't use the Euro. I know that Croatia did have the highest ticket price of any show this year, but that was only for the most expensive tickets.

Yeah, I know that. I just imagined that they would have priced the shows at around a $250 equivalent level, similar to the European shows.

Maoilbheannacht · 08-19-2009, 03:29 PM

Box Office Data - U2 360 TOUR

1ST LEG EUROPE

June 30, July 2, 2009
Barcelona, Spain
Camp Nou
GROSS: $19,825,497 (RECORD)
ATTENDANCE: 182,055 (RECORD)
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $108.90

July 7-8, 2009
Milan, Italy
Stadio San Siro
GROSS: $15,168,799 (RECORD)
ATTENDANCE: 153,806 (RECORD)
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $98.62

July 11-12, 2009
Paris, France
Stade De France
GROSS: $20,902,760 (RECORD)
ATTENDANCE: 186,544 (RECORD)
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $112.05

July 15, 2009
Nice, France
Stade Charles Erhmann, Nice
GROSS: $6,261,208
ATTENDANCE: 55,641
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS :1
Average Ticket Price: $112.53

July 18, 2009
Berlin, Germany
Olympic Stadium
GROSS: $9,169,830
ATTENDANCE: 88,265
SHOWS :1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $103.89

July 20-21, 2009
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Amsterdam ArenA
GROSS: $12,583,998
ATTENDANCE: 125,866
SHOWS :2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $99.98

July 24-25-27, 2009
Dublin, Ireland
Croke Park
GROSS: $28,815,352
ATTENDANCE: 243,198
SHOWS :3
SELLOUTS: 3
Average Ticket Price: $118.49

July 31, Aug 1, 2009
Gothenburg, SE
Ullevi Stadium
GROSS: $11,047,995
ATTENDANCE: 119,297
SHOWS :2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $92.61

August 3, 2009
Gelsenkirchen, GE
Veltins Arena
GROSS: 7,292,826
ATTENDANCE: 73,704
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS:1
Average Ticket Price: $98.95

August 6, 2009
Chorzow, Poland
Śląski Stadium
GROSS: $6,414,960
ATTENDANCE: 75,180
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $85.33

August 9-10, 2009
Zagreb, Croatia
Maksimir Stadium
GROSS: $12,700,784
ATTENDANCE: 124,012
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $102.42

August 14-15, 2009
London, United Kingdom
Wembley Stadium
GROSS: $20,680,860
ATTENDANCE: 164,244
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $125.92

U2 360 TOUR: 1ST LEG EUROPE STATS

GROSS: $170,864,869
ATTENDANCE: 1,591,812
Average Gross: $8,136,422
Average Attendance: 75,801
Average Ticket Price: $107.34
Shows: 21
Sellouts: 21

Maoilbheannacht · 08-19-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbrecon72

I'll let you guys know today when I see the boxscores off of billboard.biz

Hey, thanks for the numbers, as well as becoming a member of billboard.biz! The Wembley shows finished at #2 on the chart, what was #1?

**ramblin rose** · 08-19-2009, 03:47 PM

Oxegen Punchestown Racecourse Naas, Ireland was # 1
July 10-12, 2009
Gross $22,723,108
Attendance 211,182 / 222,000
Shows/Sellouts 3 / 0

Maoilbheannacht · 08-19-2009, 03:47 PM

I'm a little surprised by the attendance figures for Wembley since if they are split evenly are only 82,122 per show. But the second show did have trouble selling out its allotment of tickets, so it probably had a smaller capacity than the first show. But, I was thinking around $9 million in gross, and instead it was $10.3 million per show. The London Wembley shows have the highest average ticket price of the tour this year at $125.92.

With only 3 shows left, it looks like the average gross for the first leg Europe will remain above $8 million dollars which is what I had initially predicted.

Maoilbheannacht · 08-19-2009, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramblin rose

Oxegen Punchestown RacecourseNaas, Ireland
July 10-12, 2009
$22,723,108
211,182 /
222,000
3 /
0
$332.45, $130.12
MCD

Who was the artist? Was it a festival?

**ramblin rose** · 08-19-2009, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maoilbheannacht

Who was the artist? Was it a festival?

Yeah, it was a 3 day festival. Kings of Leon, Snow Patrol, Killers, NIN among the headliners.

LINE UP 2009

CosmoKramer · 08-19-2009, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maoilbheannacht

I'm a little surprised by the attendance figures for Wembley since if they are split evenly are only 82,122 per show. But the second show did have trouble selling out its allotment of tickets, so it probably had a smaller capacity than the first show. But, I was thinking around $9 million in gross, and instead it was $10.3 million per show. The London Wembley shows have the highest average ticket price of the tour this year at $125.92.

With only 3 shows left, it looks like the average gross for the first leg Europe will remain above $8 million dollars which is what I had initially predicted.

I think you will appreciate this link, it has over 200 boxscore results. While U2 is amazing, so is Madonna. AC/DC failed to sell out Giants Stadium (7k shy) and the United Center in Chicago (12k out of 14k), which for such a good act is too bad.

Pulse Music Board - Billboard Boxscore 08/29/2009

CosmoKramer · 08-19-2009, 05:06 PM

I know this is all about U2's tour gross but I just found this on the Pulse forum about Maddona's current tour. While U2 will out gross her, you have to say she is a power house up there with U2 and the Stones. I would like to see some info on the Boss but I haven't come across it yet. I guess we can use this as comparison info.....how about them 80's acts!!!

Sticky & Sweet Tour
-Totals thus far...

77 shows out of 78 sold out

3,207,592 tickets out of 3,219,138 sold

$374,186,236 grossed

.:MrMacPhisto:. · 08-19-2009, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmoKramer

Sticky & Sweet Tour
-Totals thus far...

77 shows out of 78 sold out

3,207,592 tickets out of 3,219,138 sold

$374,186,236 grossed

Cool, U2 already grossed almost half of this figure with less than 1/3 of the number of shows.

U2 360 TOUR: 1ST LEG EUROPE STATS

GROSS: $170,864,869
ATTENDANCE: 1,591,812
Average Gross: $8,136,422
Average Attendance: 75,801
Average Ticket Price: $107.34
Shows: 21
Sellouts: 21

Maoilbheannacht · 08-19-2009, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmoKramer

I know this is all about U2's tour gross but I just found this on the Pulse forum about Maddona's current tour. While U2 will out gross her, you have to say she is a power house up there with U2 and the Stones. I would like to see some info on the Boss but I haven't come across it yet. I guess we can use this as comparison info.....how about them 80's acts!!!

Sticky & Sweet Tour
-Totals thus far...

77 shows out of 78 sold out

3,207,592 tickets out of 3,219,138 sold

$374,186,236 grossed

What your forgetting though is that much of the reason why Madonna is doing so well in a lot of these places is that she either, has never played there before in her entire 26 year career, or has not played there in 20 years. Those things drive up demand in certain markets much higher than they normally would be.

Madonna played her first shows in Switzerland, Austria, Greece, Norway, Finland, and many other countries on this tour.

I would not put her on U2 and the Stones level. I'd put her and Springsteen on a different level, but essentially above most other artist, just not on the level of U2 and the Stones.

Also the GROSS for Madonna Sticky And Sweet is $371,358,619 and NOT $374,186,236 as reported above.

Madonna's average GROSS per show is only $4,761,008 compared to $8,136,422
for U2. On average U2 is grossing 71% MORE per show than Madonna.

Madonna's attendance is 3,224,135 and NOT 3,207,592 as posted above.

Madonna's average attendance per show is 41,335. U2's average attendance per show is 75,801. So the average U2 show at this point has 84% greater attendance than the average Madonna show on Sticky And Sweet.

Madonna's shows this week in Poland and Finland were Madonna's first shows EVER in those countries.

For Sweden, her shows there this week were the first shows she had played in Sweden since 1990, 19 years ago. Her single show in Sweden in 1990 is the only other time she has played that country.

genesis199125 · 08-19-2009, 06:14 PM

wow, maoilbheannact.....no need to get so defensive of U2. CosmoKramer was just complimenting all the 80s act. And although Madonna does not pull in the same attendance figures as U2, she still charges a lot more per ticket, so I think that still puts her in the same league.

08-19-2009, 03:17 PM	#137
Maoilbheannacht Refugee Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,641 Local Time: 06:22 PM	New Boxscores for London, Zagreb, and Chorzow! August 6, 2009 Chorzow, Poland Śląski Stadium GROSS: $6,414,960 ATTENDANCE: 75,180 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1 Average Ticket Price: $85.33 August 9-10, 2009 Zagreb, Croatia Maksimir Stadium GROSS: $12,700,784 ATTENDANCE: 124,012 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $102.42 August 14-15, 2009 London, United Kingdom Wembley Stadium GROSS: $20,680,860 ATTENDANCE: 164,244 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $125.92

08-19-2009, 03:47 PM	#142
ramblin rose Forum Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 10,249 Local Time: 12:22 PM	Oxegen Punchestown Racecourse Naas, Ireland was # 1 July 10-12, 2009 Gross $22,723,108 Attendance 211,182 / 222,000 Shows/Sellouts 3 / 0 __________________ ramblinrose[at]interference.com

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08-19-2009, 03:29 PM	#140
Maoilbheannacht Refugee Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,641 Local Time: 06:22 PM	Box Office Data - U2 360 TOUR 1ST LEG EUROPE June 30, July 2, 2009 Barcelona, Spain Camp Nou GROSS: $19,825,497 (RECORD) ATTENDANCE: 182,055 (RECORD) SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $108.90 July 7-8, 2009 Milan, Italy Stadio San Siro GROSS: $15,168,799 (RECORD) ATTENDANCE: 153,806 (RECORD) SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $98.62 July 11-12, 2009 Paris, France Stade De France GROSS: $20,902,760 (RECORD) ATTENDANCE: 186,544 (RECORD) SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $112.05 July 15, 2009 Nice, France Stade Charles Erhmann, Nice GROSS: $6,261,208 ATTENDANCE: 55,641 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS :1 Average Ticket Price: $112.53 July 18, 2009 Berlin, Germany Olympic Stadium GROSS: $9,169,830 ATTENDANCE: 88,265 SHOWS :1 SELLOUTS: 1 Average Ticket Price: $103.89 July 20-21, 2009 Amsterdam, Netherlands Amsterdam ArenA GROSS: $12,583,998 ATTENDANCE: 125,866 SHOWS :2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $99.98 July 24-25-27, 2009 Dublin, Ireland Croke Park GROSS: $28,815,352 ATTENDANCE: 243,198 SHOWS :3 SELLOUTS: 3 Average Ticket Price: $118.49 July 31, Aug 1, 2009 Gothenburg, SE Ullevi Stadium GROSS: $11,047,995 ATTENDANCE: 119,297 SHOWS :2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $92.61 August 3, 2009 Gelsenkirchen, GE Veltins Arena GROSS: 7,292,826 ATTENDANCE: 73,704 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS:1 Average Ticket Price: $98.95 August 6, 2009 Chorzow, Poland Śląski Stadium GROSS: $6,414,960 ATTENDANCE: 75,180 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1 Average Ticket Price: $85.33 August 9-10, 2009 Zagreb, Croatia Maksimir Stadium GROSS: $12,700,784 ATTENDANCE: 124,012 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $102.42 August 14-15, 2009 London, United Kingdom Wembley Stadium GROSS: $20,680,860 ATTENDANCE: 164,244 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $125.92 U2 360 TOUR: 1ST LEG EUROPE STATS GROSS: $170,864,869 ATTENDANCE: 1,591,812 Average Gross: $8,136,422 Average Attendance: 75,801 Average Ticket Price: $107.34 Shows: 21 Sellouts: 21

08-19-2009, 03:47 PM	#143
Maoilbheannacht Refugee Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,641 Local Time: 06:22 PM	I'm a little surprised by the attendance figures for Wembley since if they are split evenly are only 82,122 per show. But the second show did have trouble selling out its allotment of tickets, so it probably had a smaller capacity than the first show. But, I was thinking around $9 million in gross, and instead it was $10.3 million per show. The London Wembley shows have the highest average ticket price of the tour this year at $125.92. With only 3 shows left, it looks like the average gross for the first leg Europe will remain above $8 million dollars which is what I had initially predicted.

08-19-2009, 05:06 PM	#147
CosmoKramer The Fly Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 290 Local Time: 06:22 PM	I know this is all about U2's tour gross but I just found this on the Pulse forum about Maddona's current tour. While U2 will out gross her, you have to say she is a power house up there with U2 and the Stones. I would like to see some info on the Boss but I haven't come across it yet. I guess we can use this as comparison info.....how about them 80's acts!!! Sticky & Sweet Tour -Totals thus far... 77 shows out of 78 sold out 3,207,592 tickets out of 3,219,138 sold $374,186,236 grossed

08-19-2009, 06:14 PM	#150
genesis199125 The Fly Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 162 Local Time: 06:22 PM	wow, maoilbheannact.....no need to get so defensive of U2. CosmoKramer was just complimenting all the 80s act. And although Madonna does not pull in the same attendance figures as U2, she still charges a lot more per ticket, so I think that still puts her in the same league.