U2 360 Boxscore Discussion - Page 3

Maoilbheannacht · 08-08-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ramblin rose

You missed the point entirely. The problem is not the topic, the problem was that both threads that were previously opened to discuss this topic turned into an irrelevant fight between you and another poster that no one wanted to read about. Several complaints from different users were received and a warning to given prior to the other thread being closed. If you read the FAQ it specifically says that threads should not be opened on the same topics of previously closed threads. That was why I posted a sticky so that at least members could get the information after your original thread was closed.

That is the point.

This thread is new, and not the same thread as the previous one because there are new boxscores available for Dublin and Amsterdam. If the problem is not the topic, it should be possible for anyone to start a thread about the topic if there is not one already active for it, yet you suggest that is not the case.

The sticky does not allow for anyone to update it except a mod, and there was no update despite the fact that new information had become available, so that is why this thread was started.

**ramblin rose** · 08-08-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Maoilbheannacht

This thread is new, and not the same thread as the previous one because there are new boxscores available for Dublin and Amsterdam. If the problem is not the topic, it should be possible for anyone to start a thread about the topic if there is not one already active for it, yet you suggest that is not the case.

The sticky does not allow for anyone to update it except a mod, and there was no update despite the fact that new information had become available, so that is why this thread was started.

Let me make this perfectly clear.

http://u2.interference.com/misc.php?...ork&page=rules

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Starting additional threads with the same/similar subject of the closed threads (i.e. 'Spin-off' threads) is not allowed and may result in a warning/suspension from the forums.

I realize the sticky doesn't allow anyone to update it. That was the point. It would have updated eventually, maybe not the split second the new stats were up since I have a life outside of this forum.

Again, if this thread turns into the same discussion that's already been had between you and Moggio again, this and all future threads on this topic will be closed immediately.

Yahweh · 08-08-2009, 11:57 PM

You could get tickets to the Croke Park shows anytime you wanted them and actually very respectable seats to the 3rd show. Still good attendance but they could have done better and I dont believe it sold out as you could by tickets 2 hours before they took the stage on the website with many tickets available.

andyuk · 08-09-2009, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Yahweh

You could get tickets to the Croke Park shows anytime you wanted them and actually very respectable seats to the 3rd show. Still good attendance but they could have done better and I dont believe it sold out as you could by tickets 2 hours before they took the stage on the website with many tickets available.

Yes all of Croke Park concerts did sell out look at the OFFICAL box office stats! these are not a U2 company trying to make it look good they are official stats!

adrball · 08-09-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by andyuk

Yes all of Croke Park concerts did sell out look at the OFFICAL box office stats! these are not a U2 company trying to make it look good they are official stats!

Big Bollocks

Yahweh · 08-09-2009, 12:45 PM

There is no point in arguing with you people, if you take a basic statisics class you can see how stats can be altered to make them look as good or as bad as you want them to be. What I am stating is a fact you could get tickets to any of the 3 concerts 2 hours before the show started. If Boxscore counts this as a sell out I guess their definition of "Sell Out" and mine are 2 different things.

I came to the conclusion U2 could do no wrong in here long ago, I stated that it was still impressive what they were able to accomplish grossing over 100 million in 13 shows is an impressive feat. However U2s management especially since after Popmart will do anything to make shows appear like they are sold out. There is no doubt that the tickets were released in blocks of seats therefore making it much easier to control what would be considered a sellout according to Boxscore.

My definition of a Sellout means:

All of the tickets in the original configuration of the concert were sold (which didnt happen)

Super Yo · 08-09-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahweh

My definition of a Sellout means:

All of the tickets in the original configuration of the concert were sold (which didnt happen)

The problem here is the industry definition, and the industry says that all U2 concerts at the date were sold out.

andyuk · 08-09-2009, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yahweh

There is no point in arguing with you people, if you take a basic statisics class you can see how stats can be altered to make them look as good or as bad as you want them to be. What I am stating is a fact you could get tickets to any of the 3 concerts 2 hours before the show started. If Boxscore counts this as a sell out I guess their definition of "Sell Out" and mine are 2 different things.

I came to the conclusion U2 could do no wrong in here long ago, I stated that it was still impressive what they were able to accomplish grossing over 100 million in 13 shows is an impressive feat. However U2s management especially since after Popmart will do anything to make shows appear like they are sold out. There is no doubt that the tickets were released in blocks of seats therefore making it much easier to control what would be considered a sellout according to Boxscore.

My definition of a Sellout means:

All of the tickets in the original configuration of the concert were sold (which didnt happen)

Maybe you should work for boxscore then!

I will take on the stats of boxscore as official confirmation that the shows were sold out not your opinion that they were not

Popmartijn · 08-09-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Yahweh

My definition of a Sellout means:

All of the tickets in the original configuration of the concert were sold (which didnt happen)

What do you mean with the 'original configuration of the concert'? Isn't this like what we think Pollstar uses for the definition of a sold out concert.
In the case of U2's concerts in Dublin, all the tickets in the original configuration were sold. However, over the past few weeks U2 released some more tickets to fight the scalpers. Hence the availability of tickets shortly before show time. But those were not part of the original configuration.

fedeu2 · 08-09-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Popmartijn

What do you mean with the 'original configuration of the concert'? Isn't this like what we think Pollstar uses for the definition of a sold out concert.
In the case of U2's concerts in Dublin, all the tickets in the original configuration were sold. However, over the past few weeks U2 released some more tickets to fight the scalpers. Hence the availability of tickets shortly before show time. But those were not part of the original configuration.

I guess this puts the debate to rest.

robbrecon72 · 08-09-2009, 10:56 PM

for the people wondering where to find the boxscores look on billboardmagazine.com under charts then concerts. seems to me this site is exactly what the old billboard.com site used to be.

adrball · 08-10-2009, 08:16 AM

I called BS on these stats after seeing Vertigo Sydney III.

There were large 'blocks' of empty seats in the upper tiers that 'had' been filled on the previous two nights. But this night too was a sellout! How was that possible - either because of some deliberate ploy (withdrawing availability of tickets a nano-second before the show starts) or because these Boxoffice mathmeticians have a dodgy calculator.

Either way use your eyes. If there are huge areas of seats not taken, and not be explained away by obstructive viewing or scalpers, then they defo not sold as many tickets as they could have done.

And I don't buy this ticket dropping to avoid scalpers. Surely these folk scan ticket sites all the time for this - they're more informed than your average punter.

hedge · 08-10-2009, 08:24 AM

was the 2nd Barca show full?

adrball · 08-10-2009, 08:29 AM

I think there were small pockets. Enough to put it down to non-shows and scalpers.

andyuk · 08-10-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by adrball

I called BS on these stats after seeing Vertigo Sydney III.

There were large 'blocks' of empty seats in the upper tiers that 'had' been filled on the previous two nights. But this night too was a sellout! How was that possible - either because of some deliberate ploy (withdrawing availability of tickets a nano-second before the show starts) or because these Boxoffice mathmeticians have a dodgy calculator.

Either way use your eyes. If there are huge areas of seats not taken, and not be explained away by obstructive viewing or scalpers, then they defo not sold as many tickets as they could have done.

And I don't buy this ticket dropping to avoid scalpers. Surely these folk scan ticket sites all the time for this - they're more informed than your average punter.

There were no big clumps of empty seats at Croke night 3 from what i saw!

08-10-2009, 08:16 AM	#42
adrball Refugee Premium Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nightclub in Tripoli Posts: 1,719 Local Time: 12:37 AM	I called BS on these stats after seeing Vertigo Sydney III. There were large 'blocks' of empty seats in the upper tiers that 'had' been filled on the previous two nights. But this night too was a sellout! How was that possible - either because of some deliberate ploy (withdrawing availability of tickets a nano-second before the show starts) or because these Boxoffice mathmeticians have a dodgy calculator. Either way use your eyes. If there are huge areas of seats not taken, and not be explained away by obstructive viewing or scalpers, then they defo not sold as many tickets as they could have done. And I don't buy this ticket dropping to avoid scalpers. Surely these folk scan ticket sites all the time for this - they're more informed than your average punter. __________________ Jun 30 Barcelona Jul 02 Barcelona Jul 12 Paris Jul 13 Paris Jul 20 Amsterdam Jul 21 Amsterdam Jul 24 Dublin Jul 25 Dublin Jul 27 Dublin Jul 31 Gothenburg Aug 01 Gothenburg Aug 14 London Aug 15 London Aug 18 Glasgow Aug 20 Sheffield Aug 22 Cardiff

08-10-2009, 08:29 AM	#44
adrball Refugee Premium Gold Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nightclub in Tripoli Posts: 1,719 Local Time: 12:37 AM	I think there were small pockets. Enough to put it down to non-shows and scalpers. __________________ Jun 30 Barcelona Jul 02 Barcelona Jul 12 Paris Jul 13 Paris Jul 20 Amsterdam Jul 21 Amsterdam Jul 24 Dublin Jul 25 Dublin Jul 27 Dublin Jul 31 Gothenburg Aug 01 Gothenburg Aug 14 London Aug 15 London Aug 18 Glasgow Aug 20 Sheffield Aug 22 Cardiff

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08-08-2009, 11:57 PM	#33
Yahweh New Yorker Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,947 Local Time: 11:37 PM	You could get tickets to the Croke Park shows anytime you wanted them and actually very respectable seats to the 3rd show. Still good attendance but they could have done better and I dont believe it sold out as you could by tickets 2 hours before they took the stage on the website with many tickets available.

08-09-2009, 12:45 PM	#36
Yahweh New Yorker Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,947 Local Time: 11:37 PM	There is no point in arguing with you people, if you take a basic statisics class you can see how stats can be altered to make them look as good or as bad as you want them to be. What I am stating is a fact you could get tickets to any of the 3 concerts 2 hours before the show started. If Boxscore counts this as a sell out I guess their definition of "Sell Out" and mine are 2 different things. I came to the conclusion U2 could do no wrong in here long ago, I stated that it was still impressive what they were able to accomplish grossing over 100 million in 13 shows is an impressive feat. However U2s management especially since after Popmart will do anything to make shows appear like they are sold out. There is no doubt that the tickets were released in blocks of seats therefore making it much easier to control what would be considered a sellout according to Boxscore. My definition of a Sellout means: All of the tickets in the original configuration of the concert were sold (which didnt happen)

08-09-2009, 10:56 PM	#41
robbrecon72 The Fly Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 171 Local Time: 04:37 PM	for the people wondering where to find the boxscores look on billboardmagazine.com under charts then concerts. seems to me this site is exactly what the old billboard.com site used to be.

08-10-2009, 08:24 AM	#43
hedge Acrobat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 373 Local Time: 11:37 PM	was the 2nd Barca show full?