adrball

I saw enough empty spaces not congruent with the availability of tickets from the touts. I don't believe this show was a sellout, but nowhere near as clear as Sydney III on Vertigo.

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Maoilbheannacht

I'm well aware of what the rules say, but you've mentioned that the problem was NOT the topic. If that is the case, then people have a right to post NEW information as it becomes available, just as they have a right to post new album sales number, new setlist, etc.

It takes about 5 seconds to post new information and unless the whole general topic is banned, anyone with NEW information should be able to post it. Your sticky remained unupdated for days.

Sorry, but those discussions were NOT just between myself and Moggio, but between multiple people as well as Moggio.

In addition, similar discussions take place between multiple people on album sales, singles, and other music business topics.

These type of discussions have been taking place for years in this particular forum and unless interference is now into banning discussion topics, then they should be allowed to continue. I can understand closing threads when there are problems with them. But there have been plenty of threads about Edge's guitar playing, Bono's vocals, that have been closed over the years, but it did not mean a person could not start a thread about that topic ever again.

ramblin rose

Normally, this topic wouldn't be a problem, except as with any other thread when we receive multiple complaints from members regarding a thread which is what happened in the case of the previous threads, the thread in question will be closed after a warning is given and if the fighting continues as did with the previous threads, it will be closed. Also any spin-off thread on the same/similar topic will also be closed.

Updated boxscores is not a new topic, it's the same topic with updated information, however, I've left it open because there shouldn't be a problem on this particular topic, but if the fighting starts up again then it will be closed also.

Like I've already told you, if you have further doubts on this PM me. There is no need to continue this discussion in this thread.

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doctorwho

Please see other people's posts on this - including mine.

I realize what most of us THINK "sell out" means.

However, there is a different definition. I've obtained last minute tickets to sporting events and other concerts and those were considered "sold out" as well. I believe there are a minimum amount of tickets that must sell for a show or sporting event to be considered "sold out". While there still may be some tickets available, even at the last minute, the show is considered sold out.

Also note that there are no shows. Season ticket holders don't attend every game. Some cancel and tickets then become available. This is more true in large stadiums - like U2's current tour - than in an arena where there truly is limited space.

These "sell outs" are not U2 or U2 fans indicating them as such - it is the venue. So kudos for U2 for at least selling the minimum amount of tickets needed to get a "sell out".

Also, thank you Rambling Rose for your efforts. Rare has anything in this forum needed moderation, but apparently the time has come.

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Maoilbheannacht

Ever since 1985, and even before that on rare occasions, U2 has often released tickets the day of the show often to prevent or degrade the scalping market. The fact that tickets are still available 2 hours or even 2 minutes prior to the start of the show is not evidence of the show not being soldout. If it were, then most U2 shows since 1985 have not been soldout. Not even U2's shows in Dublin in Croke Park in 1987.

Billboard Boxscores definition of a sellout is the selling of all tickets released for sale, which may not happen until just before the boxoffice closes sometime during the concert.

The three Croke Park shows in 2009 had a combined attendance that was 3,545 tickets less than the 3 shows in 2005. It could be that demand was slower with the third show and the promoter never released the entire physical capacity that was available for sale. It could also be that the new stage and lighting reduced the number of people who could be on the field at each show. Also, a change in the fire code laws about the number of people that could be on the field could have reduced the figures.

Every artist in the industry attempts to sellout, and will gradually release tickets for sell in order to have a better chance of getting a sellout, but it does not always happen. There have been 32 Bruce Springsteen Concerts this year that have not soldout, even when the number of tickets released for sell was actually smaller than the full physical capacity available.

Just because you see empty seats at a concert does not mean tickets for those seats were not sold. Some Scalpers often buy up rows are blocks of tickets and are unable to re-sell them.


An important thing to remember is that this is the first ever Stadium tour done in the round. This opens up tens of thousands more seats usually that would not normally be available.

In the normal configuration, most stadium shows have about 40,000 to 50,000 people. There are only a small number of artist that can actually attract 40,000 to 50,000 people to multiple shows on a tour.

But what U2 are doing now is on another level than that. Average attendance for the first 13 shows is nearly 80,000! Nearly double of what the average attendance is at a stadium show with the normal set up, that only a small number of artist are able to perform. As the available capacity increases for any show, the chances of a sellout grow less likely.

When this tour is completed at the end of 2010, it will be the highest attended tour in history, and I don't think anyone will care whether or not U2 really did completely sellout every single show in a 360 configuration in a stadium.

robbrecon72

New boxscores

Gross Sales Attended Shows/sellouts
u2 Gothenburg Sweden $11,047,995 119,297 2/2
u2 Gelsenkirchen Germany $7,292,826 73,704 1/1

robbrecon72

Tour stats so far

Total number of shows-16
Number of sellouts-16
Total gross-$131,068,265
Average gross per show-$8,191,766
Average ticket price-$106
Total Attendance-1,228,376
Average Attendance-76,773

Maoilbheannacht

July 31 - August 1, 2009
Goteborg, Sweden
Ullevi Stadion
GROSS: $11,047,995
ATTENDANCE: 119,297
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $92.61

August 3, 2009
Gelsenkirchen, Germany
Veltins-Arena
GROSS: $7,292,826
ATTENDANCE: 73,704
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $98.95


http://www.billboardmagazine.com/bbc...gzqN!451218170













U2 360 TOUR: 1ST LEG EUROPE STATS

GROSS: $131,068,265
ATTENDANCE: 1,228,376
Average Gross: $8,191,767
Average Attendance: 76,774
Shows: 16
Sellouts: 16
Average Ticket Price: $106.70

digitize

Vive l'Europe.

beLIEve

Just read yesterday's Billboard article that came out with their normal "Chart Alert" regarding worldwide boxscores. In looking at the reports from last week and this week, it's obvious that U2 are still the biggest draw in the entire world. I know the economy is down...and some of their U.S. stadium shows still have tickets available. However, what was really surprising to me is to see Green Day's 3 most recent arena concerts failed to sell out...running around 75% of capacity. Coldplay also failed to sell out 2 of their last 3 arena shows.

Even if U2 doesn't sell out every concert in the U.S., their attendance for any given show will likely top 50,000 people or more. OTH, Coldplay/Green Day can't draw 15,000 people at some of their most recent shows. I'm not hating on these other bands; but I do think this is clear evidence of U2 still being the "biggest (best for me) band in the world". Unbelievable that they have more or less had that crown for 3 decades now. It would not be out of place for U2 to be on the cover of Time Magazine this Fall with a shot of the 360 stage during a show with the headline "22 years later...U2 are still Rock's hottest ticket". I remember clearly my first U2 concert back on TJT tour, but I never dreamed that I'd be taking my own 10-year old daughter to see them 3 decades later!

CosmoKramer

It is amazing that in 1987, U2 had one of the best selling albums and one of the biggest tours ever and 22 years later, they have one of the best selling albums and one of THE biggest tour ever....

Moggio

hey you

the total gross for the last 5 tours of rolling irrilevant stones is 1686 and when u2 finish the 360 degrees will be the same or +-
hey moggio richards when will have an album rilevant from the stones or we have to go at era of homo sapiens sapiens for discover it.

Moggio

fedeu2

Oh no, here we go again ....