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Old 07-21-2009, 11:00 PM   #136
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After actual figures are known I´m sure Moggio will come up with some of his ridiculous excuses such as Dallas was sold out because there was a massive flow of people from nearby areas. Sure he would have to explain why the Houston show was packed too.
LOL! I already admitted MONTHS ago that my Dallas 360 tour show prediction was wrong. And how did I come to that prediction? Simply because EVERY Dallas show from 1997-2005 each grossed between $1.7 & $1.9 million. So why they hell would ANYONE think they could gross twice as much there now? But it's now obvious that that was ONE OF THE FEW markets that were underbooked on both of the Elevation & Vertigo tours, for whatever reason, since they'll be grossing in the $4 million range in Dallas in October...

As for Houston, it's a very similar situation...





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Old 07-21-2009, 11:06 PM   #137
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And Maloil is a PROVEN LIAR.
Really? What exactly was "lied about" and where is your proof?



By the way, everyone here realizes that Stones fans in Spain, Ireland, southern Italy, Belgium, Poland, Czech Republic, Sweden, Hungary, Croatia and other places, who were willing to travel and could aford did on the Stones 1st leg of Europe contributing to the attendance at shows in Milan, Lisbon, Paris, England, Scotland, Denmark, Germany, and Austria.

Again, the Stones are NO different in this regard to U2 or Madonna.

But unlike the Stones 1st leg of Europe, the 1st Leg of U2 360 has 24 stadium shows instead of 19, and ALL shows are in a 360 configuration, while the Stones had the standard set up with no seats sold behind the stage, yet these still could not sellout any of their shows in Europe.


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LOL! I already admitted MONTHS ago that my Dallas 360 tour show prediction was wrong. And how did I come to that prediction? Simply because EVERY Dallas show from 1997-2005 each grossed between $1.7 & $1.9 million.
Its called underbooking, but you have been absolutely emphatic that was not the case in Dallas. So assured were you, that you were predicting attendance of only 28,000.

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since they'll be grossing in the $4 million range in Dallas in October...
Well, thats a little better, but your still going to be far off the mark with that prediction I think. If the show sells out, and average ticket price is in the $90 to $100 dollar range, the gross well be significantly above $4 million. They are selling tickets for seats at the very top of the stadium, last row at $95 dollars. 40% to 50% of the top tier of the stadium is being sold at the $95 dollar ticket price.


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Old 07-21-2009, 11:38 PM   #139
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Can Moggio be banned in this site? Please ?


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Old 07-21-2009, 11:55 PM   #140
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I heard that the UK/European & North American legs will total 90 shows.

Maloil can repost the HANDFUL of my incorrect predictions ‘til he’s blue in the face. But remember, he’s a PROVEN LIAR & MANIPULATOR.

Maloil KNOWS that far more than 1,000 fans travel to see an artist, if their market is NOT being hit. For example, comparing the Vertigo & 360 tours, all one has to do is compare the overall album sales and inflation rates from 2005 to 2009 to see that. And then consider as rule of thumb that roughly 35% of fans from a relatively nearby market will travel to a centralized market, if their market is not being hit. The Paris & Milan 360 tour shows FIT PERFECTLY.

No, you said NO fans that live more than 3 hours away from a market being hit would travel to see an artist, if their market wasn‘t hit.

As a rule of thumb that roughly 35% of fans from a relatively nearby market will travel to a centralized market, if their market is not being hit.

Your excuse for Ireland on the first leg of the A Bigger Bang tour is weak and doesn‘t hold, since it’s one of The Stones’ weakest markets in the UK/Europe. And I’m sure if you take a look at their grosses, you’ll find that. And the FACT is, that ONLY A HANDFUL OF MARKETS were “strategically scheduled” on the A Bigger Bang tour.

If your excuse for the Spanish shows held for the first UK/European leg of the A Bigger Bang tour, then there would NOT have been ANY shows in Portugal scheduled.

Not playing the Eastern Block of Europe at that point in time, doesn’t mean a thing regarding meeting or not meeting demand. There were SEVERAL German stadium shows, like there ALWAYS are.

Again, I have NO idea why you’re comparing the portions of the first North American legs of the 360 & A Bigger Bang tours, as it proves NOTHING, since there were virtually no “strategically scheduled” show on the first leg of the A Bigger Bang tour. Take a look at the WHOLE first North American leg of the A Bigger Bang tour and you’ll see that. But then again YOU’RE A PROVEN LIAR & MANIPULATOR .


ROTFLMFAO! So you're trying to spin this quote (BIG SURPRISE!!!) :

“U2 have not met the demand in for them in virtually all of the regions they have played so far on tour.”

Ok, well how about this one from the same post:

“Any artist who sells out a show or multiple shows in minutes or hours has yet to come close to satisfying the demand in that particular market.”

You CLEARLY indicate that since the Vertigo tour had quick official sellouts, that that means demand was heavily underbooked. But, the fact is, when you analyze overall album sales and inflation rates from 2005-2009, you’ll CLEARLY see that U2 wouldn’t have had to “strategically schedule” virtually the WHOLE 360 tour if your above quote was true. And of course part of the reason why virtually the WHOLE 360 tour is strategically scheduled is that many of the shows that are officially sold out would not be sold out (many of them would at roughly 65% capacity), if U2 had scheduled a FULL UK/European tour this year, without “strategic scheduling.”

The Stones and Madonna DO NOT have ANY WHERE NEAR the amount of “strategically scheduled” shows as U2 now do.

Are you joking?! ROTFLMFAO. The Stones not utilizing ANYWHERE NEAR as much “strategic scheduling” as U2 obviously does, PROVES that not only are The Stones are larger draw than U2 are, but also that they’re not as worried about whether or not their shows are sold out, like U2 are.

Again, The Stones DO NOT NEED to “strategically schedule” virtually an ENTIRE tour because they’re not worried about whether or not their shows are sold out, like U2 does and because they’re a larger draw than U2 is.

It’s definitely not out of the ordinary to think Live Nation will do whatever they can to make U2 look more popular than they are, simply because with U2, they have to. U2’s image is EVERYTHING. PopMart, anyone?


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I NEVER said it was "...now just for the sake of attendance & gross".

In this very thread, Maloil / STING 2 claims that he didn't state that virtually the ENTIRE Vertigo tour was heavily underbooked, even though in this below thread he states / heavily implies the EXACT OPPOSITE several times:

http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopi...r=asc&start=50


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MOGGIO, ENOUGH ALREADY.

Clearly you are not a fan of U2 and your simply trolling. I for one am interested in the current U2 360 tour and come on these boards to find out the info. Every fucken day I come on and have to read through your rubbish. I suggest you go on a ACDC or Stones site and bullshit on over there. You are not welcome here. If you cant shut your pipe hole, i hope admin closes this thread or gives you a nice holiday away from this U2 forum.


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Old 07-22-2009, 12:16 AM   #143
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MOGGIO, ENOUGH ALREADY.

Clearly you are not a fan of U2 and your simply trolling. I for one am interested in the current U2 360 tour and come on these boards to find out the info. Every fucken day I come on and have to read through your rubbish. I suggest you go on a ACDC or Stones site and bullshit on over there. You are not welcome here. If you cant shut your pipe hole, i hope admin closes this thread or gives you a nice holiday away from this U2 forum.
I am a fan Of U2, though. I just don't like their past three albums. What I state isn't BS. I provide OBJECTIVITY. Heard of it? And I don't care if you want to deny the facts, like virtually everyone here. A fact is a fact. Get used to it.


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Old 07-22-2009, 12:27 AM   #144
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Can Moggio be banned in this site? Please ?
Yeah! Why bring ANY objectivity here whatsoever, right?


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Old 07-22-2009, 12:46 AM   #145
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I heard that the UK/European & North American legs will total 90 shows.


Again, I have NO idea why you’re comparing the portions of the first North American legs of the 360 & A Bigger Bang tours, as it proves NOTHING, since there were virtually no “strategically scheduled” show on the first leg of the A Bigger Bang tour. Take a look at the WHOLE first North American leg of the A Bigger Bang tour and you’ll see that. But then again YOU’RE A PROVEN LIAR & MANIPULATOR .



You CLEARLY indicate that since the Vertigo tour had quick official sellouts, that that means demand was heavily underbooked. But, the fact is, when you analyze overall album sales and inflation rates from 2005-2009, you’ll CLEARLY see that U2 wouldn’t have had to “strategically schedule” virtually the WHOLE 360 tour if your above quote was true. And of course part of the reason why virtually the WHOLE 360 tour is strategically scheduled is that many of the shows that are officially sold out would not be sold out (many of them would at roughly 65% capacity), if U2 had scheduled a FULL UK/European tour this year, without “strategic scheduling.”

The Stones and Madonna DO NOT have ANY WHERE NEAR the amount of “strategically scheduled” shows as U2 now do.

Are you joking?! ROTFLMFAO. The Stones not utilizing ANYWHERE NEAR as much “strategic scheduling” as U2 obviously does, PROVES that not only are The Stones are larger draw than U2 are, but also that they’re not as worried about whether or not their shows are sold out, like U2 are.

Again, The Stones DO NOT NEED to “strategically schedule” virtually an ENTIRE tour because they’re not worried about whether or not their shows are sold out, like U2 does and because they’re a larger draw than U2 is.

It’s definitely not out of the ordinary to think Live Nation will do whatever they can to make U2 look more popular than they are, simply because with U2, they have to. U2’s image is EVERYTHING. PopMart, anyone?
And why on earth you are asking U2 to schedule a full european leg in 2009 when the RS didn´t do that either?
Say everything you like but at the end of the day the fact still remains:

-U2 2009: 24 european shows in 360 configuration sold out or nearly sold out
-RS 2006: 19 european shows in 270 configuration not sold out

So it is clear that IF U2 have met demand the same applies to the RS cos they played less shows with much less attendance. And don´t give me that crap about ticket prices cos everyone knows that U2 is perfectly able to charge the same as the Stones and still draw many more people than the RS in Europe.


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I am a fan Of U2, though. I just don't like their past three albums. What I state isn't BS. I provide OBJECTIVITY. Heard of it? And I don't care if you want to deny the facts, like virtually everyone here. A fact is a fact. Get used to it.
Oh, now we know, you´re one of those 90´s fans that felt betrayed by U2 this decade. Get over it and enjoy one of U2´s finest albums: NLOTH.


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No, you said NO fans that live more than 3 hours away from a market being hit would travel to see an artist, if their market wasn‘t hit.
Really, even though I have actually done that myself? Please, go dig this next imagined quote up please.

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As a rule of thumb that roughly 35% of fans from a relatively nearby market will travel to a centralized market, if their market is not being hit.
What factual evidence do you have to support that claim?

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Your excuse for Ireland on the first leg of the A Bigger Bang tour is weak and doesn‘t hold, since it’s one of The Stones’ weakest markets in the UK/Europe. And I’m sure if you take a look at their grosses, you’ll find that. And the FACT is, that ONLY A HANDFUL OF MARKETS were “strategically scheduled” on the A Bigger Bang tour.
Stones fans in Spain, Ireland, southern Italy, Belgium, Poland, Czech Republic, Sweden, Hungary, Croatia and other places, who were willing to travel and could aford did on the Stones 1st leg of Europe contributing to the attendance at shows in Milan, Lisbon, Paris, England, Scotland, Denmark, Germany, and Austria.

Again, the Stones are NO different in this regard to U2 or Madonna.

But unlike the Stones 1st leg of Europe, the 1st Leg of U2 360 has 24 stadium shows instead of 19, and ALL shows are in a 360 configuration, while the Stones had the standard set up with no seats sold behind the stage, yet these still could not sellout any of their shows in Europe.


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If your excuse for the Spanish shows held for the first UK/European leg of the A Bigger Bang tour, then there would NOT have been ANY shows in Portugal scheduled.
Doesn't matter. The Stones knew by cancelling the Spanish shows that it would benefit other shows on the 1st leg that had not been played yet when the shows were cancelled.

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Not playing the Eastern Block of Europe at that point in time, doesn’t mean a thing regarding meeting or not meeting demand. There were SEVERAL German stadium shows, like there ALWAYS are.
Eastern Europeans contributed to the German shows attendance figures in numbers that would have been lower had their been Eastern European shows. Unless, you believe that everyone in Eastern Europe patiently waited to see the Stones until 2007 when the played Eastern Europe, if your objective, you must admit that skipping Eastern Europe did have an impact on shows in Germany, Austria and Italy.

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Again, I have NO idea why you’re comparing the portions of the first North American legs of the 360 & A Bigger Bang tours, as it proves NOTHING, since there were virtually no “strategically scheduled” show on the first leg of the A Bigger Bang tour. Take a look at the WHOLE first North American leg of the A Bigger Bang tour and you’ll see that. But then again YOU’RE A PROVEN LIAR & MANIPULATOR .
Again, the number of stadium shows they decided to play and where, is apart of strategic scheduling. So is the number of arena shows and where they decided to play them. No, it does not directly parallel, U2's schedule, but just as much thought and planning went into the schedule in order to maximize the Stones gross from that leg.

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ROTFLMFAO! So you're trying to spin this quote (BIG SURPRISE!!!) :

“U2 have not met the demand in for them in virtually all of the regions they have played so far on tour.”
Sorry, but your the one who dug up the quote and TRIED desperately to spin it into something it was not. The quote is a good one and I definitely stand by it, but its NOT what you had earlier alleged.

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Ok, well how about this one from the same post:

“Any artist who sells out a show or multiple shows in minutes or hours has yet to come close to satisfying the demand in that particular market.”
Nothing wrong with that statement.

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You CLEARLY indicate that since the Vertigo tour had quick official sellouts, that that means demand was heavily underbooked. But, the fact is, when you analyze overall album sales and inflation rates from 2005-2009, you’ll CLEARLY see that U2 wouldn’t have had to “strategically schedule” virtually the WHOLE 360 tour if your above quote was true. And of course part of the reason why virtually the WHOLE 360 tour is strategically scheduled is that many of the shows that are officially sold out would not be sold out (many of them would at roughly 65% capacity), if U2 had scheduled a FULL UK/European tour this year, without “strategic scheduling.”
Once again, U2 Vertigo happened in 2005-2006. A totally different economic climate and a very different tour. U2 360 is using a production that substantially increases per show attendance. The Vertigo Tour was all arena's in North America, and while it was stadiums outside North America, those stadiums were done in a 270 configeration with smaller capacities per show. So its easy for anyone to see why there would be some scheduling differences. U2 360 is ALMOST the same size as the only leg of Europe that U2 did on the Vertigo tour. It has 24 shows to Vertigo's 32 shows. Thats 25% less shows, but the capacity per show based on the early results is 25% to 30% more per show. If U2 added 8 more shows for 32, this would not result in shows only being 65% full.


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The Stones and Madonna DO NOT have ANY WHERE NEAR the amount of “strategically scheduled” shows as U2 now do.
Madonna has been the Queen of strategic scheduling her entire career. She just played her first show in Switzerland on her current tour EVER!

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Are you joking?! ROTFLMFAO. The Stones not utilizing ANYWHERE NEAR as much “strategic scheduling” as U2 obviously does, PROVES that not only are The Stones are larger draw than U2 are, but also that they’re not as worried about whether or not their shows are sold out, like U2 are.
LIVE NATION does its best to bring in as much money as possible for each artist that it promotes. They do not engage in exclusive planning to help one artist over another. They plan each artist tour around their strengths and do the best they can to help the artist bring in as much money as possible.

NO one, is going to claim that if U2 360 outgrosses the next Stones tour, that it was only because of Live Nations strategic scheduling for U2.

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Again, The Stones DO NOT NEED to “strategically schedule” virtually an ENTIRE tour because they’re not worried about whether or not their shows are sold out, like U2 does and because they’re a larger draw than U2 is.
The Stones FAILED to sellout almost every single one of their shows on both legs of the last European tour. Live Nation does their best to bring in as much money for the Stones. They would never hesitate to use any form of scheduling for the Stones if they thought it would help them make more money. So you can't claim that Live Nation is providing a service for U2 that they don't provide for the Stones or Madonna!

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It’s definitely not out of the ordinary to think Live Nation will do whatever they can to make U2 look more popular than they are, simply because with U2, they have to. U2’s image is EVERYTHING. PopMart, anyone?
LOL, were talking GROSS here, MONEY. Live Nation is there to bring in as much money as possible for both bands. They are there to MAXIMIZE GROSS for both artist. They do not schedule or plan anything in such a way as to bring in more money for one artist than they would another.

Bottom line, which ever tour has the higher grossing figure when both are done will be the tour that is considered the commercial winner or biggest tour ever. No one is going to be claiming that one is actually bigger than the other because of strategic planning.


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Old 07-22-2009, 01:18 AM   #148
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U2 360 TOUR

1ST LEG EUROPE


June 30, July 2, 2009
Barcelona, Spain
Camp Nou
GROSS: $19,825,497 (RECORD)
ATTENDANCE: 182,055 (RECORD)
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $108.90

July 7-8, 2009
Milan, Italy
Stadio San Siro
GROSS: $15,168,799 (RECORD)
ATTENDANCE: 153,806 (RECORD)
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $98.62

July 11-12, 2009
Paris, France
Stade De France
GROSS: $20,902,760 (RECORD)
ATTENDANCE: 186,544 (RECORD)
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $112.05



U2 360 TOUR: 1ST LEG EUROPE STATS

GROSS: $55,897,056
ATTENDANCE: 522,405
Average Gross: $9,316,176
Average Attendance: 87,068
Average Ticket Price: $107
Shows: 6
Sellouts: 6




Notice the average gross and attendance for these first 6 shows.


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