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| The Fly Join Date: Sep 2008
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Local Time: 02:28 PM | Really? What exactly was "lied about" and where is your proof? By the way, everyone here realizes that Stones fans in Spain, Ireland, southern Italy, Belgium, Poland, Czech Republic, Sweden, Hungary, Croatia and other places, who were willing to travel and could aford did on the Stones 1st leg of Europe contributing to the attendance at shows in Milan, Lisbon, Paris, England, Scotland, Denmark, Germany, and Austria. Again, the Stones are NO different in this regard to U2 or Madonna. But unlike the Stones 1st leg of Europe, the 1st Leg of U2 360 has 24 stadium shows instead of 19, and ALL shows are in a 360 configuration, while the Stones had the standard set up with no seats sold behind the stage, yet these still could not sellout any of their shows in Europe. |
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| Acrobat Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangladesh.
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Local Time: 08:28 PM | Can Moggio be banned in this site? Please ? |
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| The Fly Join Date: Sep 2008
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Local Time: 06:28 AM | I heard that the UK/European & North American legs will total 90 shows. Maloil can repost the HANDFUL of my incorrect predictions ‘til he’s blue in the face. But remember, he’s a PROVEN LIAR & MANIPULATOR. Maloil KNOWS that far more than 1,000 fans travel to see an artist, if their market is NOT being hit. For example, comparing the Vertigo & 360 tours, all one has to do is compare the overall album sales and inflation rates from 2005 to 2009 to see that. And then consider as rule of thumb that roughly 35% of fans from a relatively nearby market will travel to a centralized market, if their market is not being hit. The Paris & Milan 360 tour shows FIT PERFECTLY. No, you said NO fans that live more than 3 hours away from a market being hit would travel to see an artist, if their market wasn‘t hit. As a rule of thumb that roughly 35% of fans from a relatively nearby market will travel to a centralized market, if their market is not being hit. Your excuse for Ireland on the first leg of the A Bigger Bang tour is weak and doesn‘t hold, since it’s one of The Stones’ weakest markets in the UK/Europe. And I’m sure if you take a look at their grosses, you’ll find that. And the FACT is, that ONLY A HANDFUL OF MARKETS were “strategically scheduled” on the A Bigger Bang tour. If your excuse for the Spanish shows held for the first UK/European leg of the A Bigger Bang tour, then there would NOT have been ANY shows in Portugal scheduled. Not playing the Eastern Block of Europe at that point in time, doesn’t mean a thing regarding meeting or not meeting demand. There were SEVERAL German stadium shows, like there ALWAYS are. Again, I have NO idea why you’re comparing the portions of the first North American legs of the 360 & A Bigger Bang tours, as it proves NOTHING, since there were virtually no “strategically scheduled” show on the first leg of the A Bigger Bang tour. Take a look at the WHOLE first North American leg of the A Bigger Bang tour and you’ll see that. But then again YOU’RE A PROVEN LIAR & MANIPULATOR . ROTFLMFAO! So you're trying to spin this quote (BIG SURPRISE!!!) : “U2 have not met the demand in for them in virtually all of the regions they have played so far on tour.” Ok, well how about this one from the same post: “Any artist who sells out a show or multiple shows in minutes or hours has yet to come close to satisfying the demand in that particular market.” You CLEARLY indicate that since the Vertigo tour had quick official sellouts, that that means demand was heavily underbooked. But, the fact is, when you analyze overall album sales and inflation rates from 2005-2009, you’ll CLEARLY see that U2 wouldn’t have had to “strategically schedule” virtually the WHOLE 360 tour if your above quote was true. And of course part of the reason why virtually the WHOLE 360 tour is strategically scheduled is that many of the shows that are officially sold out would not be sold out (many of them would at roughly 65% capacity), if U2 had scheduled a FULL UK/European tour this year, without “strategic scheduling.” The Stones and Madonna DO NOT have ANY WHERE NEAR the amount of “strategically scheduled” shows as U2 now do. Are you joking?! ROTFLMFAO. The Stones not utilizing ANYWHERE NEAR as much “strategic scheduling” as U2 obviously does, PROVES that not only are The Stones are larger draw than U2 are, but also that they’re not as worried about whether or not their shows are sold out, like U2 are. Again, The Stones DO NOT NEED to “strategically schedule” virtually an ENTIRE tour because they’re not worried about whether or not their shows are sold out, like U2 does and because they’re a larger draw than U2 is. It’s definitely not out of the ordinary to think Live Nation will do whatever they can to make U2 look more popular than they are, simply because with U2, they have to. U2’s image is EVERYTHING. PopMart, anyone? |
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| The Fly Join Date: Sep 2008
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Local Time: 06:28 AM | I NEVER said it was "...now just for the sake of attendance & gross". In this very thread, Maloil / STING 2 claims that he didn't state that virtually the ENTIRE Vertigo tour was heavily underbooked, even though in this below thread he states / heavily implies the EXACT OPPOSITE several times: http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopi...r=asc&start=50 |
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Local Time: 01:28 AM | MOGGIO, ENOUGH ALREADY. Clearly you are not a fan of U2 and your simply trolling. I for one am interested in the current U2 360 tour and come on these boards to find out the info. Every fucken day I come on and have to read through your rubbish. I suggest you go on a ACDC or Stones site and bullshit on over there. You are not welcome here. If you cant shut your pipe hole, i hope admin closes this thread or gives you a nice holiday away from this U2 forum. |
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Local Time: 06:28 AM | Yeah! Why bring ANY objectivity here whatsoever, right? |
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| War Child Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Montevideo, Uruguay
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Say everything you like but at the end of the day the fact still remains: -U2 2009: 24 european shows in 360 configuration sold out or nearly sold out -RS 2006: 19 european shows in 270 configuration not sold out So it is clear that IF U2 have met demand the same applies to the RS cos they played less shows with much less attendance. And don´t give me that crap about ticket prices cos everyone knows that U2 is perfectly able to charge the same as the Stones and still draw many more people than the RS in Europe. | |
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| War Child Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Montevideo, Uruguay
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Local Time: 02:28 PM | Oh, now we know, you´re one of those 90´s fans that felt betrayed by U2 this decade. Get over it and enjoy one of U2´s finest albums: NLOTH. |
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Again, the Stones are NO different in this regard to U2 or Madonna. But unlike the Stones 1st leg of Europe, the 1st Leg of U2 360 has 24 stadium shows instead of 19, and ALL shows are in a 360 configuration, while the Stones had the standard set up with no seats sold behind the stage, yet these still could not sellout any of their shows in Europe. Quote:
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NO one, is going to claim that if U2 360 outgrosses the next Stones tour, that it was only because of Live Nations strategic scheduling for U2. Quote:
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Bottom line, which ever tour has the higher grossing figure when both are done will be the tour that is considered the commercial winner or biggest tour ever. No one is going to be claiming that one is actually bigger than the other because of strategic planning. | |||||||||||||
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Local Time: 02:28 PM | U2 360 TOUR 1ST LEG EUROPE June 30, July 2, 2009 Barcelona, Spain Camp Nou GROSS: $19,825,497 (RECORD) ATTENDANCE: 182,055 (RECORD) SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $108.90 July 7-8, 2009 Milan, Italy Stadio San Siro GROSS: $15,168,799 (RECORD) ATTENDANCE: 153,806 (RECORD) SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $98.62 July 11-12, 2009 Paris, France Stade De France GROSS: $20,902,760 (RECORD) ATTENDANCE: 186,544 (RECORD) SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2 Average Ticket Price: $112.05 U2 360 TOUR: 1ST LEG EUROPE STATS GROSS: $55,897,056 ATTENDANCE: 522,405 Average Gross: $9,316,176 Average Attendance: 87,068 Average Ticket Price: $107 Shows: 6 Sellouts: 6 Notice the average gross and attendance for these first 6 shows. |
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Local Time: 09:28 AM | Unfortunately, this thread has not improved since the previous warning given. We'll be figuring out how to get the figures posted without all of the irrelevant discussion that was already posted previously in the Tour Forums thread.
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