U2 360 TOUR: Sellouts, Attendance, other statistics - Page 8

fedeu2 · 07-20-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bram

When speaking of grosses, shouldn't it be mentioned that in the 90s U2 did everything in their power to keep prices down? I was under the impression that they more or less broke even that decade, at least for Popmart. Despite accusations to the contrary, U2 is pretty careful not to whore themselves out (much more so than the RS).

That´s right. I´m sure that for Vertigo tour U2 could have charged tickets the same prices than the Stones and still sold out (or nearly) every show.
Same for U2 360.

Maoilbheannacht · 07-20-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bram

When speaking of grosses, shouldn't it be mentioned that in the 90s U2 did everything in their power to keep prices down? I was under the impression that they more or less broke even that decade, at least for Popmart. Despite accusations to the contrary, U2 is pretty careful not to whore themselves out (much more so than the RS).

The band walked away with a $100 million dollar profit from POPMART. When the tour finished in March 1998, it was the 2nd highest grossing tour in history and 2nd most profitable next to the Stones 1994-1995 Voodoo Lounge tour. The profit margin since then has grown considerably and it is possible the bands profit on U2 360 alone will be greater than POPMART, Elevation and Vertigo combined!

Moggio · 07-20-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CosmoKramer

For comparison purposes, do you have Bruce Springsteen and Madonna's concert grosses during the same time span? I know they both must have grossed boat loads but I am curious, especially since they were in the recent boxscore with huge numbers.

They're out there. The internet is your friend.

Moggio · 07-20-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by powerhour24

I'd honestly like to know why you think gross is the be all end all measurement of demand for a live act. The Vertigo Tour may be the 2nd highest grossing tour to Bigger Bang, but that tour more shows, had many unsold tickets and had all of 10 shows that weren't in North America or Europe. Vertigo sold every single ticket, had U2 charged the kind of astronomical prices the Stones did, and done a couple more shows that record would likely be theirs. And it very likely will be theirs after next year, without those prices.

And with gross being your definition of the biggest tours, U2 is far ahead of AC/DC so I don't see why this is such an argument.

This thread is about U2 360, not about the Stones or any other band.

I'll assume you're not joking.

Anyways...the ultimate reason why GROSS is the end all be all when measuring concert demand is because it's a BUSINESS. Attendance can be adjusted based on what the ticket prices and venue capacities are set at, in relation to what the GROSS is. Example (with U2 in mind):

~ If market A's gross is $6 million and the average ticket price is $200, then 30,000 tickets will be sold
~ If market A's gross is $6 million and the average ticket price is $100, then 60,000 tickets will be sold
~ If market A's gross is $6 million and the average ticket price is $50, then 120,000 tickets will be sold
~ If market A's gross is $6 million and the average ticket price is $25, then 240,000 tickets will be sold

Etc., etc., etc...

That's generally how the public react to ticket prices. And once promoters calculate the GROSS (and of course the NET profit) of any particular show, that show is priced accordingly. And hence, if promoters want a show to officially "sellout", it will officially "sellout".

Since U2 are playing stadiums (generally, 50,000-100,000 capacities) on the 360 tour, instead of mostly arenas (generally, 10,000-25,000 capacities)...like on their Elevation & Vertigo tours, you now know one of the main reasons why U2 LOWERED some of their tier prices for their current 360 tour...

And, like I've said in recent posts...AC/DC is a HIGHER GROSSING act than U2 is, in Australia, New Zealand, Germany, parts of the Mid Western US & Vancouver - based on the fact that even though U2's show will officially GROSS more than AC/DC's, AC/DC is playing, Regina, Winnipeg, Edmonton and Tacoma this summer. Whereas, U2 are ONLY playing Vancouver and NOT these relatively nearby regions...and hence, many fans from Prairie Canada and the Pacific Northwest will be traveling to Vancouver to see U2. I stated this because some here think that U2 is the larger draw everywhere...which simply isn't the case.

Also, like I've said several times before, according to the FACTS, there is NO reason to believe The Stones won't eclipse their previous tour GROSSES, since they ALWAYS have (minus one exception). And unless the 360 tour GROSSES well over $700 million (which is just not going to happen, unless many more than 100 shows are performed), then that still puts The Stones ahead of U2.

And as far as Maloil's continuous meanderings go...and remember, he was WRONG about his prediction regarding the ENTIRE (or virtually entire) Vertigo tour, where he stated it was heavily underbooked...he can nitpick all he wants but it doesn't change the FACTS.

Maoilbheannacht · 07-20-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Moggio

And as far as Maloil's continuous meanderings go...he can nitpick all he wants but it doesn't change the FACTS.

FACTS? Unlike you, I actually post REAL numbers instead of just making assumptions without any numbers.

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And, like I've said in recent posts...AC/DC is a HIGHER GROSSING act than U2 is, in Australia, New Zealand, Germany, parts of the Mid Western US & Vancouver - based on the fact that even though U2's show will officially GROSS more than AC/DC's, AC/DC is playing, Regina, Winnipeg, Edmonton and Tacoma this summer. Whereas, U2 are ONLY playing Vancouver and NOT these relatively nearby regions...and hence, many fans from Prairie Canada and the Pacific Northwest will be traveling to Vancouver to see U2. I stated this because some here think that U2 is the larger draw everywhere...which simply isn't the case.

1. AC/DC has not played Australia and New Zealand yet on the Black Ice tour, so obviously there are no boxscores. U2 won't be playing Australia-New Zealand until late 2010, so no real comparison can even be made until the end of 2010.

2. The only Stadium Boxscores that AC/DC has released from the Europe so far are from two arena shows that failed to sellout in London and a stadium show in Ireland, unless of course what was released failed to make the Billboard top 10 Boxscores for the week. I think we'll be seeing U2 figures for Germany before we see any German AC/DC figures. What is AC/DC hiding?

3. The whole logic you use of above of massive numbers of fans traveling hundreds if not thousands of miles was dismissed by you when I mentioned that fact about the Rolling Stones first 19 show European leg. I mentioned the fact that Stones fans in those markets not played could have easily travelled to the shows that were played. You dismissed this by saying the fans in those cities "knew" the Stones would be returning in the summer of 2007 for a second leg. In fact, you repeated that about a billion times on the UKMIX forum.

So using your logic from the UKMIX forum, we can say that U2 fans in Edmonton, Winnepeg, and Washington state are WAITING, for U2 to come to their towns in the summer of 2010.

If AC/DC's tour promoter thought AC/DC would make significantly more money by splitting their Canadian stadium dates up, they would. But their not.

When it comes to which stadium tour will gross the most in Canada once both tours are fully completed, U2 360 will be the winner.

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Also, like I've said several times before, according to the FACTS, there is NO reason to believe The Stones won't eclipse their previous tour GROSSES, since they ALWAYS have (minus one exception). And unless the 360 tour GROSSES well over $700 million (which is just not going to happen, unless many more than 100 shows are performed), then that still puts The Stones ahead of U2.

Don't worry, we already have you down as claiming the U2 360 tour CAN'T gross more than $600 million dollars from 90-100 shows and that it is impossible for U2 360 to outgross the next Stones tour.

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And as far as Maloil's continuous meanderings go...he can nitpick all he wants but it doesn't change the FACTS.

Well, we can't wait for the FACTS to roll in for the shows below so we can compare them to your predictions below:

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Originally Posted by Moggio

Moggio predictions for U2 360 in North America:

City/Venue/Capacity/Tickets Sold/Gross/Average Ticket Price

October

1 Charlottesville, VA - Scott Stadium (attendance: 31,000/ GROSS: $2 million/$65)
3 Raleigh - Carter Finley Stadium (attendance: 31,000/ GROSS: $2 million/$65)
12 Dallas - Cowboys Stadium (attendance: 28,000/ GROSS: $1.8 million/$65)
14 Houston - Reliant Stadium (attendance: 31,000/ GROSS:$2 million/$65)
19 Norman, OK (Oklahoma City area) - University Memorial Stadium (attendance: 31,000/ GROSS: $2 million/$65)

WOW, according to you, only 28,000 people are going to show up at the Dallas show and the GROSS is only going to be $1.8 million!!!! Average ticket price apparently is only going to be $64 dollars. With only 28,000 people in a 360 set up at Cowboys stadium, it could likely mean that with 15,000 on the field, there would only be 13,000 people in the seats. Not only would the upper ring of the stadium be completely empty, but the lower ring would be more than half empty as well. Since Cowboys Stadium has 80,000 seats in the stands, MOGGIO is predicting over 60,000 of them will be empty. Can't wait to see the real Boxscores for this one as well as pictures of the stadium during the show which according to MOGGIO should be 75% empty in the seated area.

CosmoKramer · 07-20-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Moggio

They're out there. The internet is your friend.

The first time you post actual stats, which were very interesting i might add, and you cant even post a few extra concerts from big acts? Fine, I will search for them.

Anyway, you are starting to look like a real U2 hater and for what reason Im not sure (other than your clear dislike of Maoil). You write that attendance isn't important because it is dependant on ticket price, so Gross is the end all be all (fine, even though U2 played to 550k in just 6 shows). So, now Gross is the end all be all, and U2 will gross more than ANY ACT IN HISTORY as of the end of 2010 (even if the Stones tour next year they wont beat U2 until 2011...IF they beat U2 360). But somehow, U2's 360 gross doesnt really count as being the best because of ABC and 123??? Come on, pick a number, gross or attendance, that if U2 reached it would mean they are the biggest touring act (and dont say something stupid like 900million or 10 million attendance).

beLIEve · 07-20-2009, 09:53 PM

I wish the argument about the higest grossing/most popular live act could be given a rest. I think everyone can agree, regardless of band allegiance, that the fact that U2 have already sold 94% of the tickets for the shows on Leg 1 and 2 is AMAZING, as the world is experiencing one of the worst, if not the worst, economic disasters in history. Who knows what the environment will be like the next time they tour (if ever), or if the Stones will top U2360 with a farewell tour of sorts.

At Interference, a U2 fansite, I really don't care if someone wants to argue that AC/DC is a bigger draw in the Midwest of the U.S. or Australia...and I could care less about the Stones touring history, as well, except for where U2 ranks w/respect to all the big-grossing live acts. For a brief time, I think U2 set the all-time gross or attendance record with the Vertigo tour. I remember reading that the following Stones tour topped that. I've read from several sources that U2 should again take the top spot with the 360 tour. Maybe they'll have their record broken after a few years...so be it. Maybe the music industry never recovers from the current recession/depression and all future tours are scaled back. Who knows. 2009/2010 is U2's turn to shine on the live stage...someone else will take that spot in a year or two.

On topic, does anyone have an UPDATED list of all the shows on Legs 1 & 2, in addition to the shows that have already happened, that shows the current gigs that have already sold out, and if not, how many tickets have been sold at each show to date? I wouldn't be surprised if every show on these 1st two legs are technically announced as "sellouts", even if that's not the case. If you sell 99% of the tickets available for a 90,000+ venue, then IMHO, that show is basically a sellout. Shows with just a few thousand or less tickets available will probably sell out in the days leading up to the actual concert anyway with just a little local advertising.

Anyway, can't argue with the early results/boxscores...if this holds up, this will be U2's all-time most successful tour, and likely for any band, at least for a while. Biggest selling album released in 2009...likely highest grossing tour of all time in 2009/2010...hard to argue against U2 being the "biggest band" on the planet as of right now. Regardless of when that might change, again, IMHO, they will always be the best band in the world; the band that matters most...and for me, the only band that matters.

P.S. I realize many people feel otherwise. Doesn't change my opinion on bit. U2

fedeu2 · 07-20-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by beLIEve

Regardless of when that might change, again, IMHO, they will always be the best band in the world; the band that matters most...and for me, the only band that matters.

Now, I certainly can relate to the above statement

As for shows nearly sold out you´re right, that was what happened with the second show in Barcelona. A few thousands tickets had been available for weeks before the show and were finally sold the very day the show took place.

Moggio · 07-21-2009, 01:33 AM

The Rolling Stones & U2 tour grosses that I posted are REAL numbers. And ANYONE who’s studied the concert business and knows how concert demand works already knows that grosses for artists like U2 & The Stones, increase incrementally based on inflation & overall album sales percentages with each tour (with some exceptions).

The Australian leg of the Black Ice tour is THE HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN AUSTRALIAN HISTORY. A quick google news search can tell you that. And U2 don’t have a hope in hell in outgrossing AC/DC in their home country next year. For one, because if U2 do play Australia, they’ll only be playing Sydney and/or Melbourne, judging by the strategically scheduled 360 tour and how there’ll only be 10 or so shows left in the schedule after the UK/European & North American legs finish next year and since they’ll need room to schedule South American shows too. And simply because the way U2’s concert demand formula works there is different from other countries/territories - U2 would need TWICE the overall inflation & accumulated album sales in order to do a FULL tour of Australia to outgross themselves compared to their last stop there on the Vertigo tour…considering what inflation & their total of overall accumulated album sales are right now and will be next year when they release their next studio album.

AC/DC are doing several times the amount of stadium & arena shows in Germany than U2 are doing this year. And hence one does not even need to wait to view the Germany show boxscore results, even if they don’t happen to be released, in order to know they’re a much larger draw in Germany than U2 is. The same obviously goes for Australia.

You could only claim A HANDFUL OF MARKETS at best where the first UK/European leg of the A Bigger Bang tour was “strategically scheduled“. Whereas the WHOLE 360 tour is. And The Stones don’t need to “strategically schedule” an ENTIRE tour like U2 now does. Why? BECAUSE THE STONES ARE A LARGER DRAW THAN U2 IS. U2 haven’t played Prairie Canada PROPERLY since 1997. So the very idea that EVERY U2 fan in this region are going to “wait to see them” when they play their hometowns is COMPLETELY ABSURD.

And I NEVER said that AC/DC is a larger draw than U2 is in all of Canada, I just said they are in Vancouver.

You can post the half a dozen (or so) markets that I predicted incorrectly for the first North American leg of the 360 tour ‘til you‘re blue in the face…but just remember this: you were wrong when you said the ENTIRE (or virtually entire) Vertigo tour was heavily underbooked.

Moggio · 07-21-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CosmoKramer

The first time you post actual stats, which were very interesting i might add, and you cant even post a few extra concerts from big acts? Fine, I will search for them.

What am I, your Mother?

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Originally Posted by CosmoKramer

Anyway, you are starting to look like a real U2 hater and for what reason Im not sure (other than your clear dislike of Maoil).

If you want to believe the posting of FACTS makes me a U2 hater, then whatever floats your boat.

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Originally Posted by CosmoKramer

You write that attendance isn't important because it is dependant on ticket price, so Gross is the end all be all (fine, even though U2 played to 550k in just 6 shows). So, now Gross is the end all be all, and U2 will gross more than ANY ACT IN HISTORY as of the end of 2010 (even if the Stones tour next year they wont beat U2 until 2011...IF they beat U2 360).

No, because considering of the rate of inflation and overall accumulated album sales today compared to their A Bigger Bang tour in '05-'07, shows The Stones are overall STILL AHEAD of U2.

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Originally Posted by CosmoKramer

But somehow, U2's 360 gross doesnt really count as being the best because of ABC and 123??? Come on, pick a number, gross or attendance, that if U2 reached it would mean they are the biggest touring act (and dont say something stupid like 900million or 10 million attendance).

Currently, U2 would have to gross over $700 million without a "strategically scheduled" tour to top The Stones. But since their ENTIRE 360 tour is scheduled this way, topping The Stones is not going to happen, even if they do gross $700 million by the end of it because it will be through "strategic scheduling"...

Maoilbheannacht · 07-21-2009, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Moggio

The Australian leg of the Black Ice tour is THE HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN AUSTRALIAN HISTORY. A quick google news search can tell you that. And U2 don’t have a hope in hell in outgrossing AC/DC in their home country next year. For one, because if U2 do play Australia, they’ll only be playing Sydney and/or Melbourne, judging by the strategically scheduled 360 tour and how there’ll only be 10 or so shows left in the schedule after the UK/European & North American legs finish next year and since they’ll need room to schedule South American shows too. And simply because the way U2’s concert demand formula works there is different from other countries/territories - U2 would need TWICE the overall inflation & accumulated album sales in order to do a FULL tour of Australia to outgross themselves compared to their last stop there on the Vertigo tour…considering what inflation & their total of overall accumulated album sales are right now and will be next year when they release their next studio album.

Listen, when Black Ice Boxscores for Australia all come in and U2 360 Boxscores for Australia have all come in, a simple comparison will be made and then will know. Until then, your only talking claims, projections, etc., not facts.

There will be 12 to 16 shows left after U2 wraps up the 2010 legs of North America and Europe.

As for your formula's about inflation and accumulated album sales, remember your formula which said U2 album sales would have to double in order for the next U2 tour to be able to outgross the Vertigo Tour? We can repost that qoute here if you like.

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You could only claim A HANDFUL OF MARKETS at best where the first UK/European leg of the A Bigger Bang tour was “strategically scheduled“. Whereas the WHOLE 360 tour is. And The Stones don’t need to “strategically schedule” an ENTIRE tour like U2 now does. Why? BECAUSE THE STONES ARE A LARGER DRAW THAN U2 IS. U2 haven’t played Prairie Canada PROPERLY since 1997. So the very idea that EVERY U2 fan in this region are going to “wait to see them” when they play their hometowns is COMPLETELY ABSURD.

Well, take a look again at the Stones 1ST LEG of Europe:

11/07/2006 Stadio Giuseppe Meazza - Milan, Italy
14/07/2006 Ernst Happel Stadion - Vienna, Austria
16/07/2006 Olympiastadion - Munich, Germany
19/07/2006 AWD Arena - Hanover, Germany
21/07/2006 Olympiastadion - Berlin, Germany
23/07/2006 Rhein Energie Stadion - Cologne, Germany
28/07/2006 Stade de France - Paris, France
31/07/2006 Amsterdam ArenA - Amsterdam, Netherlands
03/08/2006 Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion - Stuttgart, Germany
05/08/2006 Dübendorf Airfield - Zurich, Switzerland
08/08/2006 Palais Nikaia - Nice, France
12/08/2006 Estádio do Dragão - Porto, Portugal
20/08/2006 Twickenham Stadium - London, England
22/08/2006 Twickenham Stadium - London, England
25/08/2006 Hampden Park - Glasgow, Scotland
27/08/2006 Don Valley Stadium - Sheffield, England
29/08/2006 Millennium Stadium - Cardiff, Wales
01/09/2006 Koengen - Bergen, Norway
03/09/2006 Forum Horsens Stadion - Horsens, Denmark

U2 360's FIRST LEG of Europe: 24 shows stadium shows
Stones "A Bigger Bang" FIRST LEG of Europe: 18 stadium shows and one ampitheater show

The Stones skip most of Scandinavia with only one stadium show in Denmark, and one little Ampitheater show in Norway. U2 360 1ST LEG EUROPE has TWO FULL STADIUM shows in Scandinavia.

In Eastern Europe, U2 360 1ST LEG EUROPE is playing 3 stadium shows. One in Poland and Two in Croatia. The STONES played ZERO shows in Eastern Europe on their first leg.

The Stones skipped Ireland, U2 played 3 shows there.

The Stones skipped Spain, U2 played two shows there.

While both bands did not play Belgium, U2 is playing two shows in Amsterdam and two in Paris, while the Stones only did one in each.

In Italy, U2 are playing two shows in Milan, while the Stones only played one show.

Its only in the Germany speaking countries in central Europe where the Stones seem to have any advantage at all in terms of the first legs. What this shows though is that the Stones did an equal amount of as you say, strategic scheduling.

Also, lets compare the first leg of U2 360 in North America to the stadium portion of the Stones first leg in North America on A bigger Bang.

Stones 1st Leg stadiums North America 2005:

21/08/2005 Fenway Park - Boston, MA
23/08/2005 Fenway Park - Boston, MA
26/08/2005 Rentschler Field - Hartford, CT
28/08/2005 Frank Clair Stadium at Lansdowne Park - Ottawa, ON
31/08/2005 Comerica Park - Detroit, MI
03/09/2005 Magnetic Hill Concert Site - Moncton, NB
10/09/2005 Soldier Field - Chicago, IL
15/09/2005 Giants Stadium - East Rutherford, NJ
26/09/2005 Rogers Centre - Toronto, ON
28/09/2005 PNC Park - Pittsburgh, PA
01/10/2005 Hersheypark Stadium - Hershey, PA
06/10/2005 Scott Stadium - Charlottesville, VA
08/10/2005 Wallace Wade Stadium - Durham, NC
04/11/2005 Angel Stadium of Anaheim - Anaheim, CA
11/11/2005 PETCO Park - San Diego, CA
13/11/2005 SBC Park - San Francisco, CA
15/11/2005 SBC Park - San Francisco, CA

U2 360 1ST LEG NORTH AMERICA:

September 12, 2009 Chicago, IL Soldier Field
September 13, 2009 Chicago, IL Soldier Field
September 16, 2009 Toronto, ON Rogers Centre
September 17, 2009 Toronto, ON Rogers Centre
September 20, 2009 Foxborough, MA Gillette Stadium
September 21, 2009 Foxborough, MA Gillette Stadium
September 24, 2009 East Rutherford, NJ Giants Stadium
September 25, 2009 East Rutherford, NJ Giants Stadium
September 29, 2009 Landover, MD FedEx Field
October 1, 2009 Charlottesville, VA Scott Stadium
October 3, 2009 Raleigh, NC Carter-Finley Stadium
October 6, 2009 Atlanta, GA Georgia Dome
October 9, 2009 Tampa, FL Raymond James Stadium
October 12, 2009 Arlington, TX Cowboys Stadium
October 14, 2009 Houston, TX Reliant Stadium
October 18, 2009 Norman, OK Oklahoma Memorial Stadium
October 20, 2009 Glendale, AZ University of Phoenix Stadium
October 23, 2009 Las Vegas, NV Sam Boyd Stadium
October 25, 2009 Pasadena, CA Rose Bowl
October 28, 2009 Vancouver, BC Canada BC Place Stadium

The Stones first leg only had 17 stadium shows with a standard set up. By contrast U2 360's first leg has 20 stadium shows in full 360 set up. Both tours skip around. Yes, they did play some arena shows, but with the exception of two arena shows in Philadelphia and two in Atlanta, Stones visits to markets where they did not play a stadium consisted of only ONE arena show.

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You can post the half a dozen (or so) markets that I predicted incorrectly for the first North American leg of the 360 tour ‘til you‘re blue in the face…but just remember this: you were wrong when you said the ENTIRE (or virtually entire) Vertigo tour was heavily underbooked.

Once the boxscores are available, we can precisely compare your predictions to what actually happened.

As for your inaccurate alleged claim, you have yet to provide a qoute and in any event, even if your claim was true, you can't with any sort of precision prove that parts of the Vertigo tour or the whole thing was NOT underbooked.

The boxscore predictions and the actual results is a precise fact based comparison. In contrast your alleged claim is unsourced and is about something that is much more vague and difficult to prove either way.

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Currently, U2 would have to gross over $700 million without a "strategically scheduled" tour to top The Stones. But since their ENTIRE 360 tour is scheduled this way, topping The Stones is not going to happen, even if they do gross $700 million by the end of it because it will be through "strategic scheduling"...

Well, now we can mark MOGGIO down as claiming that NO MATTER what U2 360 grosses, even if it grossed over 1 BILLION dollars, it will not top the Stones because according to him it was "strategically scheduled".

LOL

If and when U2 360 is shown to have outgrossed the Stones next tour, NO one is going to be claiming that they did not top the Stones.

Live Nation will do everything it can to bring in the maximum gross for any Stones or U2 tour possible. There is no special scheme, schedule, or plan that they are going to use for U2, that they would not use for the Stones especially if it would increase the amount of money the Stones would make from the tour.

In any event, a look at the Stones A Bigger Bang Tour schedule will reveal a tour as strategically scheduled as any, designed to bring in the maximum gross possible for the Rolling Stones.

Mirrorballman83 · 07-21-2009, 07:41 AM

any statistics about the Berlin and Amsterdam shows?

fedeu2 · 07-21-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Moggio

What am I, your Mother?

If you want to believe the posting of FACTS makes me a U2 hater, then whatever floats your boat.

No, because considering of the rate of inflation and overall accumulated album sales today compared to their A Bigger Bang tour in '05-'07, shows The Stones are overall STILL AHEAD of U2.

Currently, U2 would have to gross over $700 million without a "strategically scheduled" tour to top The Stones. But since their ENTIRE 360 tour is scheduled this way, topping The Stones is not going to happen, even if they do gross $700 million by the end of it because it will be through "strategic scheduling"...

I guess you don´t realize how stupid you sound every time you claim the "strategic scheduling".

Oh wait, it just dawned on me: the folks in LiveNation are big U2 fans and want U2 to be the highest grossing act in the world so they are "strategically scheduling" the 360 tour. Yet, they will plan a "nonsense scheduling" for the Stones the next time they go on tour.

anitram · 07-21-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Moggio

AC/DC is playing, Regina, Winnipeg, Edmonton and Tacoma this summer. Whereas, U2 are ONLY playing Vancouver and NOT these relatively nearby regions...and hence, many fans from Prairie Canada and the Pacific Northwest will be traveling to Vancouver to see U2.

Oh yeah, Regina and Winnipeg are "relatively" nearby, if you consider 1822 and 2232 km, respectively, to be "relatively nearby". LOL.

Hell, Winnipeg is closer to Toronto anyway.

The_acrobat · 07-21-2009, 01:14 PM

Hasn't U2 already sold way more than 28,000 tickets in Dallas? Isn't it pretty close to sold out? The only example of poor scheduling I think U2 has had is playing Dallas, Houston and OKC in the same week, and playing D.C., Charlottesville and Raleigh in the same week. But, tickets seem to be selling pretty well for those shows except OKC. Also, only 1 show in California? What's that about?

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07-20-2009, 09:53 PM	#112
beLIEve War Child Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 937 Local Time: 02:32 AM	I wish the argument about the higest grossing/most popular live act could be given a rest. I think everyone can agree, regardless of band allegiance, that the fact that U2 have already sold 94% of the tickets for the shows on Leg 1 and 2 is AMAZING, as the world is experiencing one of the worst, if not the worst, economic disasters in history. Who knows what the environment will be like the next time they tour (if ever), or if the Stones will top U2360 with a farewell tour of sorts. At Interference, a U2 fansite, I really don't care if someone wants to argue that AC/DC is a bigger draw in the Midwest of the U.S. or Australia...and I could care less about the Stones touring history, as well, except for where U2 ranks w/respect to all the big-grossing live acts. For a brief time, I think U2 set the all-time gross or attendance record with the Vertigo tour. I remember reading that the following Stones tour topped that. I've read from several sources that U2 should again take the top spot with the 360 tour. Maybe they'll have their record broken after a few years...so be it. Maybe the music industry never recovers from the current recession/depression and all future tours are scaled back. Who knows. 2009/2010 is U2's turn to shine on the live stage...someone else will take that spot in a year or two. On topic, does anyone have an UPDATED list of all the shows on Legs 1 & 2, in addition to the shows that have already happened, that shows the current gigs that have already sold out, and if not, how many tickets have been sold at each show to date? I wouldn't be surprised if every show on these 1st two legs are technically announced as "sellouts", even if that's not the case. If you sell 99% of the tickets available for a 90,000+ venue, then IMHO, that show is basically a sellout. Shows with just a few thousand or less tickets available will probably sell out in the days leading up to the actual concert anyway with just a little local advertising. Anyway, can't argue with the early results/boxscores...if this holds up, this will be U2's all-time most successful tour, and likely for any band, at least for a while. Biggest selling album released in 2009...likely highest grossing tour of all time in 2009/2010...hard to argue against U2 being the "biggest band" on the planet as of right now. Regardless of when that might change, again, IMHO, they will always be the best band in the world; the band that matters most...and for me, the only band that matters. P.S. I realize many people feel otherwise. Doesn't change my opinion on bit. U2

07-21-2009, 01:33 AM	#114
Moggio The Fly Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 216 Local Time: 11:32 PM	The Rolling Stones & U2 tour grosses that I posted are REAL numbers. And ANYONE who’s studied the concert business and knows how concert demand works already knows that grosses for artists like U2 & The Stones, increase incrementally based on inflation & overall album sales percentages with each tour (with some exceptions). The Australian leg of the Black Ice tour is THE HIGHEST GROSSING TOUR IN AUSTRALIAN HISTORY. A quick google news search can tell you that. And U2 don’t have a hope in hell in outgrossing AC/DC in their home country next year. For one, because if U2 do play Australia, they’ll only be playing Sydney and/or Melbourne, judging by the strategically scheduled 360 tour and how there’ll only be 10 or so shows left in the schedule after the UK/European & North American legs finish next year and since they’ll need room to schedule South American shows too. And simply because the way U2’s concert demand formula works there is different from other countries/territories - U2 would need TWICE the overall inflation & accumulated album sales in order to do a FULL tour of Australia to outgross themselves compared to their last stop there on the Vertigo tour…considering what inflation & their total of overall accumulated album sales are right now and will be next year when they release their next studio album. AC/DC are doing several times the amount of stadium & arena shows in Germany than U2 are doing this year. And hence one does not even need to wait to view the Germany show boxscore results, even if they don’t happen to be released, in order to know they’re a much larger draw in Germany than U2 is. The same obviously goes for Australia. You could only claim A HANDFUL OF MARKETS at best where the first UK/European leg of the A Bigger Bang tour was “strategically scheduled“. Whereas the WHOLE 360 tour is. And The Stones don’t need to “strategically schedule” an ENTIRE tour like U2 now does. Why? BECAUSE THE STONES ARE A LARGER DRAW THAN U2 IS. U2 haven’t played Prairie Canada PROPERLY since 1997. So the very idea that EVERY U2 fan in this region are going to “wait to see them” when they play their hometowns is COMPLETELY ABSURD. And I NEVER said that AC/DC is a larger draw than U2 is in all of Canada, I just said they are in Vancouver. You can post the half a dozen (or so) markets that I predicted incorrectly for the first North American leg of the 360 tour ‘til you‘re blue in the face…but just remember this: you were wrong when you said the ENTIRE (or virtually entire) Vertigo tour was heavily underbooked.

07-21-2009, 07:41 AM	#117
Mirrorballman83 The Fly Join Date: May 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 257 Local Time: 08:32 AM	any statistics about the Berlin and Amsterdam shows?

07-21-2009, 01:14 PM	#120
The_acrobat Refugee Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Urbana, Ohio, USA Posts: 1,524 Local Time: 07:32 AM	Hasn't U2 already sold way more than 28,000 tickets in Dallas? Isn't it pretty close to sold out? The only example of poor scheduling I think U2 has had is playing Dallas, Houston and OKC in the same week, and playing D.C., Charlottesville and Raleigh in the same week. But, tickets seem to be selling pretty well for those shows except OKC. Also, only 1 show in California? What's that about?