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Old 09-02-2005, 12:49 AM   #16
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Bring Popmart back to Europe next summer. That would be great. We`ve had enough of U2 stripping down their live performances on the last 2 tours. Lets Get the lemon and the whole fucking circus back. U2 are the only band in the world who can do it.

Forget the echo ridden stadiums and arenas. Get back to the outdoor natural arenas. Leeds-Roundhay Park, Knebworth, Loch Lomond, Slane castle.

heres to bringing back Pop and Popmart
I don't think a 500 square feet LED screen can be called stripping down, but I see you point


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Old 09-02-2005, 04:12 AM   #17
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I pray to God that they don't re-release Pop. It's my fave U2 album and despite the fact that some songs obviously could have been recorded better....I wish they would just forget about it. I'd rather see new material and a new album.

I just don't think pop should be messed with any more than it already has.


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Old 09-02-2005, 09:51 AM   #18
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I must say that I don't agree with everything the writer of the article coz for the most part, I actually like Pop. The only two songs that I think really could do with an entire overhaul is Playboy Mansion and Wake up Dead Man. Although I do agree that the single version of Please is better than the one off the album. But otherwise I love the originals of Discotheque, Mofo, Do you feel loved, etc. and especially Velvet Dress is perfect just as it is, in my humble opinion!!


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Old 09-02-2005, 01:13 PM   #19
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The lemon broke down in Sydney Too. Just an FYI.


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Old 09-03-2005, 09:05 AM   #20
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It also broke down in Oslo!


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Old 09-03-2005, 11:02 AM   #21
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Re-doing and/or re-mastering Pop is an interesting idea... however the whole concept of touring behind an album like that is atrocious.

I would be more than excited for U2 to touch Pop up, because at the end of the day, I'd still have the original as a reference point. The original will never go away. It is a piece of art, it is copyrighted, it is in analog and digital formats and it will never go away. So bring on a redone version of the album so that we can compare, contrast, exhault and bitch about it.

But if they EVER do a Popmart Version 2, I will go, but I will not be totally into the idea.


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Old 09-03-2005, 11:28 AM   #22
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The lemon broke down in Sydney Too. Just an FYI.
Bloody Lemons, Just don't make them like they used to


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Old 09-05-2005, 11:08 AM   #23
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POP really is one of my favorite U2 albums to be honest. I would love too see a remake off the album or at least give us a DVD with the old POPmart concert at Mexico city on it!

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Old 09-06-2005, 06:46 AM   #24
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POP

Very interesting to here those views.

I would also be interested to hear your running order HTDATB or any others. I would say HTDATB order is the best there could have done with and All that you cant... could have been done a lot better. (all opinions)

I personally dont think there should re-recorded this album athough agree would sound better if reworked.

U2 need to continue to make new music and strive forward with ideas because thats the type of band there are. Any u2 fan and the band themselves know there made mistakes on this record but "Pop" was recorded in 1997 and the world has changed dramatically since then.
There would never be able to recreated the mood in the studio of those sessions no matter who was invited.

I ask the question to oasis fans would you want them to re-recorded "Be Here Now". I an oasis fan myself would say no, because thats was there creative output in 1997 and you cannot recreated past feelings.

Very good and well written piece though. I do agree with you on your points especially "wake up dead man" which is brillaint live, but very average on the record.

Starting another thread though was about re-recording "october"
or which album would fans like re-recorded.


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Old 09-06-2005, 07:00 PM   #25
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I like the album pretty much as it is. I've never bought the band's line that "If only we'd had one more month...."

It's bullshit. They had 5 years to come up with better ideas for the best of set, and they're a wash at best and worse in at least 2 cases.

Discoteque is absolutely ruined.

Staring At The Sun can't decide if it wants to be the album version or the live Everly Brothers version...it's not bad, but it's not better. It sounds half baked.

Gone could have been good, but with Bono's incredibly weak new vocal, I find it completely unlistenable. Even with a good vocal, I fail to see how it's better. It's different, but the orginal was a great too.

I love Miami. And I happen to think it was a highlight of the Popmart tour. The sparse music is perfect. It's the sparse music that puts the lyrics up front. It's a stroll through the city (with a little miami vice tossed in for good measure) and it works for me.

Please was better live (mostly because of Edge's guitar solo), and the single version captures that, but if we're talking about how versions got better when done live, shouldn't they go back and redo UF, since Bad and A Sort Of Homecoming were WAY better live. And the album version of Please is a better take on that song than the album version of Bad was of it.

As for Wake Up Deadman, the reason it was anti-climactic, is they never played it full band, AFAIK, and they certainly never played it full band. As it was performed on Popmart, it was a coda to the show. It wasn't supposed to be a climax.

As for albums with the correct running order, I'm happy with AB, Zooropa, JT and Pop. The latest album suffers from having One Step Closer on it, along with the fact that they left the best song off the album.

Frankly, I'm far happier with their realization of Pop than ATYCLB, which worked really well live, but is rather blah on the album (in all but a handful of cases).


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Old 09-07-2005, 01:49 PM   #26
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I do agree that the album, as it stands now, could've been better. But I'm not a hater. I listen to it, but mainly with my own reinstated "single versions" and one of the "best of" versions ("Gone" ...I love the reworking, though Bono's voice is a bit weak). I also am piqued by your track listing. I think I'll give it a spin when I get home.

I also like the Jools Holland/ Bono remake of "If You Wear That Velvet Dress." I used to have it on my computer, but can't seem to find it anymore. Does anyone else have it and could possibly send it to me?

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Oh well, off to class now. Adios


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Old 09-10-2005, 11:56 PM   #27
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I burned this version, and I had it playing 4 a while.... slightly altered (single versions, etc.) but it just seemed like it could b improved. This is what I've done now... try it out:

1. Pop Muzik (Radio edit)
2. Mofo (Phunkforce Mix)
3. Last Night on Earth (Single)
4. Do You Feel Loved
5. If God Will Send His Angels
6. Please (Single Strings Version)
7. Gone (Mike Hedges Mix)
8. Staring At The Sun (Mike Hedges Mix)
9. Miami
10.Discotheque (Mike Hedges Mix)
11.Holy Joe (Garage Mix)
12.The Playboy Mansion
13.Wake Up Dead Man
14.If You Wear That Velvet Dress (Jools Holland Version)

I know, I miss the "Boom-Cha's" on the original discotheque, and it seems like sacrilege to break up Playboy and Velvet Dress, when they segue right in2 one another, and NOT ending with Dead Man seems strange at first, but the "Big-Band" sound of Jools Holland's version DOES work at the end. It's almost like a triumphant ending 2 a great opera piece or something. I was REALLY inspired by the spirit of the Popmart Tour in selecting the flow of the songs, and I hope U like it as much as I do. Let me know.


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Old 09-11-2005, 09:47 AM   #28
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Please was better live (mostly because of Edge's guitar solo), and the single version captures that, but if we're talking about how versions got better when done live, shouldn't they go back and redo UF, since Bad and A Sort Of Homecoming were WAY better live. And the album version of Please is a better take on that song than the album version of Bad was of it.
ABSOLUTELY
I aggree with all of your post, but mainly the point you made that I highlighted.
The same could be said about most albums!
There is no reason to re-record Pop, it's a great album the way it is.
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Old 10-15-2005, 08:04 PM   #29
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I think that if they do re-work Pop, they should release it a few months before their next album. Then they could do a new tour that would incorporate songs from both of them. Like how Zooropa was incorporated into ZooTV.


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