Looking Back at Speculation

phillyfan26 · 07-21-2006, 12:46 PM

I've spent a bit of time looking back at what people were predicting for the Vertigo Tour before it happened. There's quite a lot:

- The majority thought Vertigo would open the shows, with COBL a close second.
- Desire was an automatic assumption as being a regular.
- Most people thought there would be a regular acoustic set including A Man and a Woman (and usually Stuck in a Moment).
- Elevation was usually left out.
- People predicting Pop material, which rarely surfaced.
- No one really saw Electric Co., An Cat Dubh, or Zoo Station coming.
- Many nailed the fact that ISHFWILF and WOWY would be in a rotation.

So, any reflections by those who were there?

Axver · 07-21-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by phillyfan26
- Desire was an automatic assumption as being a regular.

I am still a tad surprised it has only been done once this tour.

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- Most people thought there would be a regular acoustic set including A Man and a Woman (and usually Stuck in a Moment).

One thing that bugged me before the tour is that a lot of predictions featured setlists made in an Elevation style - I think that in part is what led to a lot of acoustic set predictions.

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- Many nailed the fact that ISHFWILF and WOWY would be in a rotation.

I wouldn't agree that they have been in rotation. They were almost not played on the first leg (WOWY 4 times, ISHFWILF twice) and have been regulars since the early stages of the second leg. No rotation there.

Blue Room · 07-21-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Axver

One thing that bugged me before the tour is that a lot of predictions featured setlists made in an Elevation style - I think that in part is what led to a lot of acoustic set predictions.

Why would this "bug" you?

Second, it wasnt because people were predicting Elevation orders. They were predicting acoustic parts because they did acoustic sets/songs on three tours prior to Vertigo and that seemed to have become a staple for U2. They still did for Vertigo also, Yahweh, Stuck, Wild Horses, The First Time, Walk On. A Man And A Woman was the obvious choice prior to the tour because it was obviously already acoustic. Thats all.

Axver · 07-21-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by Blue Room

Why would this "bug" you?

Because this isn't the Elevation Tour? Why would U2 re-use the same setlist format from a tour that took place four years previously?

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Second, it wasnt because people were predicting Elevation orders. They were predicting acoustic parts because they did acoustic sets/songs on three tours prior to Vertigo and that seemed to have become a staple for U2.

There's a difference between predicting an acoustic set and lifting Elevation's setlist format. Some did the former, some did the latter.

Blue Room · 07-21-2006, 08:37 PM

I think when those type things start to bug you its time for a break from the net. Seriously, I have been there also.

Axver · 07-21-2006, 08:43 PM

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I think when those type things start to bug you its time for a break from the net. Seriously, I have been there also.

I think you've taken my phrase a bit too seriously! It's not like I was "grrr, another bloody Elevation style set, damn you people!!!!", it was just "hang on, why are some people still using the Elevation format when this isn't the Elevation tour? I wish people would realise that ..."

Of course, now I can't wait to see all the next tour prediction sets with two Boy songs in the first five songs.

phillyfan26 · 07-21-2006, 09:36 PM

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Of course, now I can't wait to see all the next tour prediction sets with two Boy songs in the first five songs.

THAT is even more of a steal than acoustic sets!

I actually think they may try to move to War or, even better, Unforgettable Fire material for that portion of the show, depending on the style of the new album.

Axver · 07-21-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by phillyfan26
I actually think they may try to move to War or, even better, Unforgettable Fire material for that portion of the show, depending on the style of the new album.

I don't think any reasonable predictions can be made until we've heard the next album. This album - in Bono's theory, at least - harked back to Boy, so the early material made sense. If the next album is, say, a bit ethereal, I could see some UF songs back, or if it's a bit experimental, maybe some Zooropa tunes.

I'd love for some rarer War/UF tracks to come back, though. Surrender, Wire, even The Unforgettable Fire - this stuff shouldn't have been dumped for 15-20 years!

LemonMacPhisto · 07-21-2006, 10:04 PM

I don't want them to have a set theme for their tour.

They just need to have a good rotation of new songs, live classics/greatest hits, and rarities.

I'd want a Lovetown-type setlist, maybe it wasn't a Radiohead-esque "half the songs aren't played the next night", but the setlist structure varied. I'm sure you'll agree with me here Axver.

I'll post setlist examples of this later.

theu2fly · 07-21-2006, 11:26 PM

There probably won't be much done on this tour as in terms of rarity. But I do think both nights will have some rotation, something that won't be too shocking, I'm expecting these songs;

I Will Follow
Whose Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses
Bad
The First Time
One Tree Hill
A Sort Of Homecoming
Love Is Blindness

Perhaps the last 3 are asking a tad bit too much...

theu2fly · 07-21-2006, 11:27 PM

Altho, by the time U2 goes down to Austrailia, the ZOO TV DVD should be out, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some more Achtung, Baby! material played such as...

Even Better Than The Real Thing
Dirty Day

phillyfan26 · 07-21-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally posted by theu2fly
There probably won't be much done on this tour as in terms of rarity. But I do think both nights will have some rotation, something that won't be too shocking, I'm expecting these songs;

I Will Follow
Whose Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses
Bad
The First Time
One Tree Hill
A Sort Of Homecoming
Love Is Blindness

Perhaps the last 3 are asking a tad bit too much...

Love is Blindness was performed on Leg Four

And I agree we could see some Achtung Baby/Zooropa material here.

Axver · 07-21-2006, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by LemonMacPhisto
I don't want them to have a set theme for their tour.

They just need to have a good rotation of new songs, live classics/greatest hits, and rarities.

I'd want a Lovetown-type setlist, maybe it wasn't a Radiohead-esque "half the songs aren't played the next night", but the setlist structure varied. I'm sure you'll agree with me here Axver.

I'll post setlist examples of this later.

Yep, I agree. I liked the Lovetown philosophy with segments that the band could rotate, such as Streets/IWF/ISHFWILF and Desire/Watchtower/AIWIY. They still had a structure, but one that was much more flexible.

And I'd like a tour focused just on how good the music sounds. We've had a lot of themed tours, now let's bring Edge, Adam, and Larry to the forefront.

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Love is Blindness was performed on Leg Four

Once - impromptu and incomplete. Though maybe that performance will inspire them to play a fleshed-out full version, who knows.

theu2fly · 07-22-2006, 12:12 AM

Depending if Bono can handle 'Miss Sarajevo' anymore, Love Is Blindness should take it's place.

LemonMacPhisto · 07-22-2006, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Axver

Yep, I agree. I liked the Lovetown philosophy with segments that the band could rotate, such as Streets/IWF/ISHFWILF and Desire/Watchtower/AIWIY. They still had a structure, but one that was much more flexible.

And I'd like a tour focused just on how good the music sounds. We've had a lot of themed tours, now let's bring Edge, Adam, and Larry to the forefront.

exxxxxactly my point.

07-21-2006, 12:46 PM	#1
phillyfan26 ROCK, FLAG, AND EAGLE! Premium Gold Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: A Shithole Posts: 23,544 Local Time: 03:05 AM	Looking Back at Speculation I've spent a bit of time looking back at what people were predicting for the Vertigo Tour before it happened. There's quite a lot: - The majority thought Vertigo would open the shows, with COBL a close second. - Desire was an automatic assumption as being a regular. - Most people thought there would be a regular acoustic set including A Man and a Woman (and usually Stuck in a Moment). - Elevation was usually left out. - People predicting Pop material, which rarely surfaced. - No one really saw Electric Co., An Cat Dubh, or Zoo Station coming. - Many nailed the fact that ISHFWILF and WOWY would be in a rotation. So, any reflections by those who were there?

07-21-2006, 10:04 PM	#9
LemonMacPhisto Honky HONKY! Premium Gold Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Always in the sun Posts: 28,213 Local Time: 03:05 AM	I don't want them to have a set theme for their tour. They just need to have a good rotation of new songs, live classics/greatest hits, and rarities. I'd want a Lovetown-type setlist, maybe it wasn't a Radiohead-esque "half the songs aren't played the next night", but the setlist structure varied. I'm sure you'll agree with me here Axver. I'll post setlist examples of this later. __________________

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Blue Room Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: MICHIGAN, GO BLUE! Posts: 6,372 Local Time: 03:05 AM Images: 8	I think when those type things start to bug you its time for a break from the net. Seriously, I have been there also.

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theu2fly Refugee Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,937 Local Time: 08:05 AM Images: 8	There probably won't be much done on this tour as in terms of rarity. But I do think both nights will have some rotation, something that won't be too shocking, I'm expecting these songs; I Will Follow Whose Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses Bad The First Time One Tree Hill A Sort Of Homecoming Love Is Blindness Perhaps the last 3 are asking a tad bit too much...

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theu2fly Refugee Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,937 Local Time: 08:05 AM Images: 8	Altho, by the time U2 goes down to Austrailia, the ZOO TV DVD should be out, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some more Achtung, Baby! material played such as... Even Better Than The Real Thing Dirty Day

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theu2fly Refugee Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,937 Local Time: 08:05 AM Images: 8	Depending if Bono can handle 'Miss Sarajevo' anymore, Love Is Blindness should take it's place.