deep

all the siblings got harsh treatment from the father

Michael's issues seem to be more with the rejection by the American public,
as he grew older and faded from his childhood successes.

WildHoneyAlways

I don't think there is anyone in this thread who isn't willing to admit MJ was disturbed. I made up my mind long ago about Michael and his death hasn't changed my opinions.

Similarly, my opinion of Joe Jackson hasn't changed much over the years. I find little to admire in those who abuse their family.

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MrPryck2U

There's a reason Joe banged out of all his kids in rapid order. So someday, he wouldn't have to work another day in his life. Looks like his plan worked thanks to Michael and Company. Especially Michael. Without him, the Jacksons wouldn't have gone anywhere. Michael has been the family's meal ticket since he was ten years old.

Michael and the rest of the family got their work ethic thanks to Joe beating the piss out of them.

Michael has been accused of child abuse. With Joe, it was proven.

Now, granted Deep, you could be messing with our heads with these wacky statements and just doing it to get a rise, which sometimes is fun. But, if you're not, you're scaring the shit out of me.

MrsSpringsteen

Well said

Apparently Joe cheated on his wife and had a child with at least one woman too. Well as long as he still had his meal tickets, why not?

deep

lot's of kids have strict parents, and belts and whippings were common in my generation, I am near M J's age.

let's get real, there are real parallels with M J and Elvis. He was lonely.
He would have to buy out a whole theater, so he could go alone and watch a movie by himself. Elvis died alone, in a big house, in poor heath.

who or what really killed Elvis, MJ, and Anna Nicole Smith?

BoMac

Deep likes to play Devil's advocate on issues.

MrPryck2U

I agree with you there, but this other stuff that you're saying about Joe ain't "real" at all.

Michael, Elvis and Anna all had one big thing in common: They were all addicted to prescription drugs and no one was going to tell them they couldn't have them.

elevated_u2_fan

I think Deep is the devil

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deep

well said ?


that is just plain old silly talk

he knew when he was 20 that he was capable of creating the biggest pop act in America?

how much thought did you put into that statement?


the guy worked in a steel mill to support his family, but knew he had the seeds in his pants for America's biggest pop group.

How did he know his seeds would not lead to NBA players?
or perhaps, Barack Obama?

or O J Simpson?

deep

I just don't like hating on people.

(unless the person has no redeeming qualities)

be it Tom Cruise, MJ or Joe Jackson,

MrPryck2U

Pot meet Kettle

WildHoneyAlways

So you find it acceptable to promote your new project when someone is trying to offer condolences on the death of your child?

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deep

it ain't real?

we all seem to want to give M J allowances, and I am good with that

I did not like it when the first thread I started got hi-jacked by a little group that only wanted to put the spot light on M J flaws and keep it there. Everyone agreed that MJ has some issues, but looking at his life,
we can kind of understand why he turned out the way he did.
and he has so mant posative contributions to consider.

Joe Jackson was 20 when he started having kids, and had a bunch by 30.

These kids turned out pretty good. They are not like the performers today that are always in the news or going to jail.

At what point is one not responisible for their own demise? Elvis should have got help, Anns Nicole should have got help. I wish Michael had gotten help. I read Lisa Marie article. she tried to help but, Michael would not listen.

Now is not the time to hate on Joe Jackson

MrsSpringsteen

It's well said that the guy had that "work ethic" instilled in his kids (and by abusive means, sometimes) because they were his ticket to riches. That's what I was referring to

As for "scolding" people for "hating" on someone..well the way the guy's behaving screams dirtbag to me. Once again, sue me. At least wait until your son is buried. But I am a hater.

Diane L

I agree with this statement 1000%.