2010 Leg Announcement on u2.com now - TOUR DATES - Part II

Axver · 11-05-2009, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by phommel

You are right, I would think the same. But...rmeember that POPMART stage was also expensive! And in the second leg in the US there were, if I remember well, 3 or 4 gaps of 6/7 days! While the total amount of shows was only 17...

Not a bad point.

The longest gap was 6 days off, between Miami and New Orleans. There were 5 days off between Montreal and St Louis, though during that time, U2 went back to Europe for the MTV EMAs. There were also five days off between Mexico City and Vancouver - perhaps a function of distance?

All other gaps were 3 days off or less.

pudgie_child · 11-05-2009, 07:04 AM

I could see them spending extra days in Anaheim, if for no other reason than Disneyland being there (with all of their kids and what not).

I still don't see any valid purpose for them to hold back U.S. cities that they have already agreed to play. They know the demand is there, so there isn't any good reason to hold back any of the itinerary.

Dakotalola · 11-05-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pudgie_child

I could see them spending extra days in Anaheim, if for no other reason than Disneyland being there (with all of their kids and what not).

I still don't see any valid purpose for them to hold back U.S. cities that they have already agreed to play. They know the demand is there, so there isn't any good reason to hold back any of the itinerary.

If there's one Anaheim show for example, they'll sell out very fast as opposed to 2 dates on sale at the same time which will sell quickly. But now you have two stadiums to fill and it'll take longer. From a marketing/ PR standpoint you get the headline. " Anaheim sells out in 4 hours! A second show added!"
better than ' it took 4 days ( enter time frame here) to sell out their SoCal shows'
basically don't take away from the feverish 'i must have an Anaheim ticket it's the only show!' and ' muddythe waters with show 2 announcements before they can claim a fast sellout record. Just my take. I could be off base but this is one line of thinking.

pudgie_child · 11-05-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dakotalola

If there's one Anaheim show for example, they'll sell out very fast as opposed to 2 dates on sale at the same time which will sell quickly. But now you have two stadiums to fill and it'll take longer. From a marketing/ PR standpoint you get the headline. " Anaheim sells out in 4 hours! A second show added!"
better than ' it took 4 days ( enter time frame here) to sell out their SoCal shows'
basically don't take away from the feverish 'i must have an Anaheim ticket it's the only show!' and ' muddythe waters with show 2 announcements before they can claim a fast sellout record. Just my take. I could be off base but this is one line of thinking.

I agree with most of what you said. I am expecting that there will be additional shows in Anaheim, Oakland, Philadelphia, and New York. My point was different.

I don't see the point of them withholding the date of a San Diego show or a Minneapolis show (for example) if they know that they are going to be playing those places. They know that every city they play would likely sell out, so I don't see the logic of holding back those dates until later. That's why I am guessing that they aren't going to be playing those places at all (although, it would be cool to see them at Petco Park).

True, perhaps San Diego's 1 1/2 hour proximity to Anaheim means that it won't be getting a show this time around. Minneapolis is different, though, because it isn't that close to any other announced show. What would be the logic of announcing Minneapolis at a later date? Or St. Louis?

I think U2 may have decided (as suggested elsewhere) to go with only 2 claws in North America in 2010, which may be why we are seeing large gaps in the schedule and less cities than was previously expected. Just a thought.

kramwest1 · 11-05-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pudgie_child

True, perhaps San Diego's 1 1/2 hour proximity to Anaheim means that it won't be getting a show this time around. Minneapolis is different, though, because it isn't that close to any other announced show. What would be the logic of announcing Minneapolis at a later date? Or St. Louis?

I assume if there is any chance of a Mpls. show, the negotiations are tough. The neighborhood will not be pleased with a loud show (too bad/get used to it!). Someone on a Gopher message board said that TCF Stadium people attended a couple of U2 shows with sound equipment to see what they could expect. But, they really want to open the stadium to concerts with a big show.

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Originally Posted by pudgie_child

I think U2 may have decided (as suggested elsewhere) to go with only 2 claws in North America in 2010, which may be why we are seeing large gaps in the schedule and less cities than was previously expected. Just a thought.

This is really interesting. I would guess we'll have a better understanding of the CLAW situation when South American dates are announced. One of the CLAWs is going to be left there as a donation, correct? So, if SA is this Spring, then there will only be 2 CLAWs for NA and Europe. What does Europe's schedule look like for 2 CLAWs?

hedge · 11-05-2009, 09:26 AM

tight. but with the published dates it looks possible

ntalwar · 11-05-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kramwest1

This is really interesting. I would guess we'll have a better understanding of the CLAW situation when South American dates are announced. One of the CLAWs is going to be left there as a donation, correct? So, if SA is this Spring, then there will only be 2 CLAWs for NA and Europe. What does Europe's schedule look like for 2 CLAWs?

I didn't hear about leaving a Claw as a donation. South America could easily be toured with 2 claws (plus generous date spacing). Assuming a scenario of SA after Europe, the Claws could be shipped out from the Port of Lisbon, which is the closest large port to SA in Europe. The final two cities in Europe (Sevilla and Coimbra) are each around 50 miles from the Port of Lisbon.

kramwest1 · 11-05-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Axver

I don't see how Europe is possible with two claws. If the 2009 schedule is anything to go by, three claws will be necessary to cover some stretches.

That's what I thought. So, if U2 are going to leave a CLAW in SA, then they couldn't play there this Spring. (Well they could, but they wouldn't ship a CLAW to SA, back to Europe, then back to SA.)

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Originally Posted by ntalwar

I didn't hear about leaving a Claw as a donation. South America could easily be toured with 2 claws (plus generous date spacing). Assuming a scenario of SA after Europe, the Claws could be shipped out from the Port of Lisbon, which is the closest large port to SA in Europe. The final two cities in Europe (Sevilla and Coimbra) are each around 50 miles from the Port of Lisbon.

So, it's got to be 3 CLAWs in NA starting in Mexico in May 2010. 3 CLAWs in Europe. Probably 3 CLAWs in SA, one gets left there and then 2 CLAWs in NZ and Australia (one gets left in OZ, too).

Axver · 11-05-2009, 09:41 AM

I don't see how Europe is possible with two claws. If the 2009 schedule is anything to go by, three claws will be necessary to cover some stretches.

And do I need to repeat my point that if there are shows yet to be announced, some details may not yet be finalised and/or some stakeholders may not have signed their approval ... negotiations are not simple things, and already this year we've seen multiple dates announced after the initial batch (including some announced, then pulled, then re-announced).

Dakotalola · 11-05-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pudgie_child

I agree with most of what you said. I am expecting that there will be additional shows in Anaheim, Oakland, Philadelphia, and New York. My point was different.

I don't see the point of them withholding the date of a San Diego show or a Minneapolis show (for example) if they know that they are going to be playing those places. They know that every city they play would likely sell out, so I don't see the logic of holding back those dates until later.

I think U2 may have decided (as suggested elsewhere) to go with only 2 claws in North America in 2010, which may be why we are seeing large gaps in the schedule and less cities than was previously expected. Just a thought.

ah, ok, I was only speaking about adding 2nd dates to already announced cities. I see what you mean about other cities

Axver · 11-05-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pudgie_child

I still don't see any valid purpose for them to hold back U.S. cities that they have already agreed to play. They know the demand is there, so there isn't any good reason to hold back any of the itinerary.

This assumes that everything has been signed and accounted for. I don't think they want a repeat of March this year when they announced all the dates, only to take down Gelsenkirchen and most of the US shows pending further negotiations, and then re-add them a week or two later (with only one date change). Better to announce them when they absolutely know nothing will have to subsequently be pulled.

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pudgie_child Acrobat Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 449 Local Time: 05:28 PM	I could see them spending extra days in Anaheim, if for no other reason than Disneyland being there (with all of their kids and what not). I still don't see any valid purpose for them to hold back U.S. cities that they have already agreed to play. They know the demand is there, so there isn't any good reason to hold back any of the itinerary.

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hedge Acrobat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 373 Local Time: 01:28 AM	tight. but with the published dates it looks possible